A pit bull dog below in Wexford the latest episode of a child been savaged . Are these dogs suitable for pets .
PS The only people with Pitbulls or similar in our town are involved in drug dealing and or general criminality.
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Yeah like I'm sure you could train yourself to do it but it would involve fighting with a dog regularly, not very fair on the dog or enjoyable for you. But to ask someone to do something they haven't repeated in a training environment ad nauseum, while in a state of panic or fear, well it's just not going to work.
But you keep claiming that all breeds are as dangerous (or not) as each other. Why would you be in favour of singling out some breeds for special licencing requirement? They are either more dangerous than other breeds, or they're not
You must be mixing my posts up with someone else, because I never claimed that. I have had only 3 posts on this thread. I said all dogs are capable of delivering a fatal bite, and I believe that is true.
And why should only the owners of some breeds be liable for the damage done by their dog? Surely that should be the standard across the board, with no need to sign anything. The dog is the owner's responsibility at all times.
I wouldn't be opposed to that. I'm surprised it's not actually part of a dog licence already.
I was responding to the assertion in the post I quoted.
Yeah of course they can, we covered that. And there's a possibility of criminal prosecution under the Non-Fatal Offences Against the Person Act too. But that depends wholly on the situation. As mentioned already, there are cases where dogs have attacked children quite severely, and the Gardai and local authority have refused to even investigate, because of the way the laws are written.
I had a biology teacher in school that used to tell us in all earnestness that if you got attacked by a shark, you draw a line across its head from eye to eye, and from the tip of its nose to its tail, and at the point where the lines intersect, you simply plunger your finger into a weak point in their skull into their brain, killing the shark instantly.
I'd say sticking your arm down a dog's throat or picking it up in the air mid-maul to choke it ranks up there with that advice in terms of practicality.
"Quite shockingly, there is no offence under Irish law regarding a dog attacking a person."
This may be true under criminal law but surely Tort Law would apply in this type of case. The injured party could pursue a civil case for damages.
I would be fully in favour of legislation that ownership of some breeds would require the potential owner applying for a specific license and being vetted for ownership in advance. Such an application would include signing a declaration accepting legal liability for any harm done by the dog to person or property.
But you keep claiming that all breeds are as dangerous (or not) as each other. Why would you be in favour of singling out some breeds for special licencing requirement? They are either more dangerous than other breeds, or they're not.
Such an application would include signing a declaration accepting legal liability for any harm done by the dog to person or property.
Just in terms of being attacked, I was always told that if I can get the dog off the ground or control it's head, then they have no tools left. The problem is their speed and reactions are so much faster than ours, you are definitely getting some painful puncture wounds at least. I've also heard the theory of counter intuitively forcing your arm into its mouth causing it to gag but like doing these things for the first time ever in the heat of the moment is a tall ask. The last thing I'd want is that awful thrashing action, tearing your muscle. And as far as children are concerned , they haven't a hope really I imagine.
My dad claims he saw a large traveller attacked by a German shepherd in like the 60s or some something. The guy managed to lift the dog up and choke it to death. Might be just a dream he had lol, he has plenty of embellished stories.
I don't know if I'm just more aware of them but I am seeing a lot more of these pitbull type dogs around lately. I love dogs and I do believe a dangerous dog is more to do with the owner but these breeds are literally lethal. Personally, I think they should be banned completely. That poor kid is lucky to be alive, as it is he will have to live with the impact of this for the rest of his life.
You've clearly never encountered a cocker with rage syndrome. I have, and survived the attack, and have the physical scars to show it. Luckily I wasn't alone with the dog when he attacked and he was pulled off me, but it took two of us to get him under control. Any dog is capable of delivering a fatal bite.
Not all bull breed owners are scumbags. My uncle was a Crufts Best of Breed winner with one of his staffies and later a judge in the category. He certainly wasn't a scumbag.
But I am not in favour of eradicating any breed completely. Nor have I any time for those who use these threads simply to express their hatred for dogs, in general.
Cockers may be unpredictable, but they are not (commonly at least) killers.
And Labradors are certainly not just as likely to bite as other dogs - unless the other dogs are also Labradors.
Pit Bull terriers were responsible for 3,997 attacks and 295 deaths in the US in 2021 - that's over 60% of all fatalities.
None of the dog types that might be included under the broad pit-bull heading makes it into the top 50 popular breeds in the US.
Most Popular Dog Breeds of 2021 – American Kennel Club (akc.org)
These facts are well known. The reputation and unpredictability of that breed is well known.
People who own these dogs know (and I suspect enjoy) the fact that they are walking around with the canine equivalent of a loaded shotgun.
The point of the comment was to propose legislation that would make the owner directly responsible for the actions of their dog. Clearly most agree here that a dog is not a responsible actor but their owner is, therefore it makes sense to make the owners legally responsible for the actions of the dogs under their control. Would this not solve the issue immediately? If your dog assaults someone you are charged with assault, if your dog kills someone , you are charged with murder.
Spaniels can be very unpredictable. Especially cockers. Never, ever, approach a cocker you don't know, no matter how pretty they look. (I've owned and fostered a few cockers).
Labs are just as likely to bite as other dogs. People somehow have this impression of labs being big harmless puppies. They're not.
Yes Labradors are capable of killing someone. But how about focusing on the breed that is responsible for thirty times more deaths?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2018/09/13/americas-most-dangerous-dog-breeds-infographic/
It doesnt matter how well you train the owner or dog, even the most well treated pitbulls have been involved in attacks on people. The breed is genetically too aggressive and dangerous to be kept as a household pet.
Not surprised to see people. Advocating the traditional Irish response to a problem which is to demand the government collectively punish people by banning something.
How about for a change we try regulating the problem instead require owners of all dogs to undergo training on how to keep and train their dogs.
Spaniels are a breed that can have the inherited Idiopathic Rage Syndrome, which causes uncontrolled and unprovoked aggression. It's a genetic, uncurable condition that causes a fit like state in the dog that then turns on whoever and whatever is around it. When the dog snaps out of it, it doesn't have any idea what just happened.
Labradors actually have a considerably high bite rate, due to how common they are, how woefully unprepared people tend to be for their energy level, and how often people let their children poke and annoy them thinking the dog should put up with it as it's a Lab.
Yep. Our laws here and the enforcement of the **** ones we do have are a disgrace.
Expect a slap on the wrist...
There is a clear issue when it comes to enforcement when it comes to restricted dog breeds in Ireland.
How many have licenses for their dogs?
How many walk on leash and with a muzzle?
How many dogs walking about with mutilated ears despite it not being legal?
you have everyone out wanting bullys banned now ridiculous stuff tarring all the dogs with the one brush me brother does have the bully with the kids an never any problems feel bad for the kid but not all dogs do be like that
Pitbulls are responsible for a disproportionate number of attacks and deaths. There is fundamental problem with the breed; they are too aggressive. It's not their fault, they were bred to be that way.
The breed needs to be entirely banned going forward.
This is not "genocide" (🙄), it is breeding out undesirable traits which has been done since the earliest days of domestication.
It won't stop dog attacks entirely but it will reduce their number and severity.
And if it were the damage done would be significantly less.
I don’t like demonising any breeds because I know that any dog can be well trained and well behaved but the “issue” here is terrible people turning their dogs into vicious attack dogs.
There are, far, too many betracksuited “urban legends” dragging these dogs around on a chain because they want to feel tough. They don’t pick up the dog’s crap either.
Ownership of a restricted breed of dog should be illegal in urban, and suburban, areas.
The owners are an issue, but also the breed, not sure why so many people dishonesty argue against that.
In the 15-year period of 2005 through 2019, canines killed 521 Americans. Pit bulls contributed to 66% (346) of these deaths. Combined, pit bulls and rottweilers contributed to 76% of the total recorded deaths. -- https://www.dogsbite.org
So a dog breed that accounts for 7.5% of the dog population in the USA is responsible for 66% of the fatalities. Full ban on importing and breeding of pit bulls and crosses is needed.
Yes exactly.
Every dog will chase sheep given the opportunity and especially if there are other dogs present.
Dogs are descended from wolves which are pack-hunting carnivores. A Maltese terrier will chase sheep if given the chance. That is normal behavior for dogs.
It isn't Spaniels and Labradors.
If a dog is effectively used as a weapon either in a fight or just to generally intimidate people, is that not much the same as wielding a knife or a gun?
Always the same dribble when something like this happens.
In this case the fault is clearly with the dog owner/ guardian, like it is in most instances. It’s not the breed, though they appeal to specific types of people for various reasons.
I feel sorry for the dogs that have to suffer as a result of stupid humans again.
Should be renamed Dangerous Dog Breeders.
We are the puppy farm capital of the EU and have been for decades. People have been screaming about this for years. Wexford and surrounding counties in particular are notorious for it because of Rosslare harbour.
Young dogs bred and kept in horrendous conditions. What do you expect?
"Raising the issue in the Seanad Mr Byrne said that between 2016 and 2021, there were 1,705 attacks on humans by dogs"
But lets just blame pit bulls (again) put a few of them down and move on.
Toi be fair they are hunting & protection dogs & need to be in the hands of experienced owners,
Much like a GS they suffer from being a big imposing looking dog so little scrotes want them but won't give them the time & training they need,
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