A pit bull dog below in Wexford the latest episode of a child been savaged . Are these dogs suitable for pets .
PS The only people with Pitbulls or similar in our town are involved in drug dealing and or general criminality.
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Dogs should never be classed as family members, they are pets, not family.
All of these scenarios of children getting mauled are because of idiotic people that are far to emotionally attached to a pet. If a dog so much as strips its teeth at a child it should be put down. If, like in this scenario, a dog gets to repeat offend in mauling children then the owner should be put down along with the dog. Humans, especially children, should always come first.
Lets face reality, the owners of these types of dogs are low iq scumbags that think there’s a status attached to owning such breeds and won’t be any loss to society anyway.
Which is precisely the problem here. Many owners of vicious dogs keep them because it is difficult (if not impossible beyond a slap on the wrist) to prosecute them for the actions of the dog. Change the law to make owners criminally liable for any injuries that the dog inflicts.
People charged with the actions of a dog...christ do people understand the legal system here at all?
It's difficult enough to secure a conviction for an assault somebody actually committed, the idea of charging someone with their dog's actions is laughable in some ways and concerning in others because people are so out of touch with the realities of the legal system.
Should the dog owner not just be charged with the crime of the dog, they are the responsible party. The owner in this case should be charged with savagely assaulting a young boy.
Half the problem is that pretty much anyone can rock up with a few quid and take home one of these type of dogs, if people had to take an online class three times a week for a month once a year in regards to the proper rearing and training of any breed on the restricted list you'd soon see a lot less of them about the place. Raise the price of the yearly licence for them as well and then you end up with the RIGHT type of people who want to own them.
It won't entirely remove the attacks obviously, but Nidge and the likes who want to act the tough guy walking around with them would think twice if it cuts into their money for some Linden Village or a few yokes.
Sorry, might be me but I seem to have missed the part of your response where you backed up your implication that I was condoning what happened in my earlier post.
Maybe you'll be good enough to post it again, thanks ever so much.
Gardai don't decide if the dog is to be put down.
I do wonder why I got a warning.
Why do people need a dog if they just chuck them out on a the street and annoy people? Crap all over the place, nip at my heals when I'm out for a walk. Defend that. These are a yappy mutts.
There's some good dog owners out there, but they're in the extreme minority.
So stop with your pedantic rubbish. I don't know dogs and I don't want to to understand them. You want them, keep them away from other people.
Your original point was that animals that are stronger than their handler should not be out in public. My point is that the strength of the animal has little to do with it. If that horse I was speaking of really wanted to go, 5 men wouldn't have stopped it. So no, I have not proven your original point, which was "who's stronger".
I'd also argue that the majority are not ignorant to their dog, but the messy few can cause big problems, and that's regardless of the size of the dog.
They do exist though, so quite frankly no, that is not at all the end of the story.
Pitbulls shouldn't exist today end of story. They were bred to take part in bull baiting and other disgusting blood sports, they have no place in a civillised society.
They're all as 'fierce' in that mode, it's the power and jawline and biting performance of these bull/mastiff breeds that is really the problem. It's the same reason you'd never want a panther as a pet, if I anger my cat that's one thing, he can swipe at me, bite my ankles then **** off, a panther could push me over and snap my neck in 2 seconds if it was abruptly ticked off.
Unfortunately there just shouldn't be loose dogs out, but IDK how it is in Ireland any more. Village dog packs in Clare used to not be uncommon, in the US you never come across that in most cases, dog catchers nab that all up or the dog-fighting ringers do. So you don't normally have the issue of dogs roaming around estates/neighborhoods. When there is a biting incident or a fatality it is most often a dog off the leash/running out into public chaotically or it's a domestic incident inside the home involving the owners.
There are times this place is actually worse than Twitter.
Blaming the dog and not the owner in this case would be like blaming the technology when a high-powered car is involved in a fatal accident due to careless driving. Yes the potential is there for danger, but it's incumbent on the driver (or dog owner) to exercise caution.
Dog ownership is gone off the charts over the last decade or so, from what I can see. A lot of them are fashion symbols (the damned "fur babies brigade can go to shite). And from experience, you'd generally see more idiotic owners than competent ones, especially ones that think it's perfectly okay for their dog to be off a leash. My own lady (collie x) is on a leash at all times on her walks, and while she is as quiet as a ghost 99% of the time, and would be more likely to lick you than even bark, I have seen her get aggressive to other dogs even when under my control.
However, I have no time for the pitbull breed. Any pitbull owner I know tend to be gurriers.
If a dog chases a sheep it needs destroying, never mind mauling a human.
The case of Diane Whipple - athlete killed by presa canarios - is just so haunting. I love dogs, and would like it to be a case of "the deed, not the breed", but unfortunately I don't think this is true. It's not the dog's fault, and much blame lies with the scummy owners, but there is an innate fierceness bred into them, which comes to the fore when they are agitated/on high alert/in predator mode.
Not just a child.
Guards have a lot to answer for, dog already attacked a kid, and they let the dog live, that should never be the case. If a pitbull attacks a child it needs destroying.
I am always slipping on new liquids I didn't even know a cat could produce.
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Coincidentally WaPo had this interest piece on a former fighting dog, ill pass the free link along
Just a wholesome blog about a rescue dog who lost his ear in the fights and now he paints. Seemed to fit alongside thread.
It sadly highlights what kind of missed opportunities there were here here, from the owner and the dog.
I've worked with horses for 20 odd years, and currently work professionally with both dogs and horses
Well then your outside the scope of the majority of people who are out in public with animals and you've only served to prove my original point tbh.
Large animals, including large dogs, can and do be owned safely and are fine in public. Some are owned by idiots.
From what I've seen the majority of dog owners are completely ignorant to the capabilities of the dog they own, as my original point.
Where that's not an issue is when the dog in question isn't as strong as its handler.
And also on a lead, if your dog is off a lead in public it tells me the handler is an idiot
Got the wrong cats so.
Bastards always trip me up.
My security cats are defective.
Assistance dogs are amazing. Must have xanax in their chow. If only dolphins could walk.
The calibre of posting is unfortunately indicative of a rather simple outlook on the topic that many of the issues stem from. By not appreciating that there is a risk of a serious incident, despite being the best owner in the world, then you are not going to be, by definition, a good owner. It's all about risk appreciation.
After reading the story the last few days, I've noticed that there are a couple who walk their two big dogs (definitely dangerous breeds) off a leash with no muzzle and we live in a small town in Switzerland, in the countryside. Nonethess, the rules are for these types of dogs to always be on a leash and muzzled in public. So I have photographed them walking their dogs as I've noticed them on the same route more than once and intend to just log this to the police in the next couple of days. Will be curious to see how they approach the matter compared to the Irish police.
Why do you need a dog?
I don't want them annoying me.
Lone is the correct word.
Regardless of breed. Any wandering dog should be captured and if a fine isn't paid, put down.
Even the yappy dogs can do some damaged if they sink their canines into your calf.
And yet the poster I'm quoting doesn't believe even the "trained" people should have them.
Most assistance dog handlers are not trained.
Several posts earlier in the thread did, I am here in the thread refuting that argument, the responsibility for the attack is going to fall on this dog, not the breed.
I agree it should have been seized after the first attack.
I never mentioned getting rid of pit bulls although it's a breed of dog that I don't like.
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