Most of the far right loons don't really care about womens issues unless they can use it against immigrants and are definitely against the lgbt community, unless of course they can use them against immigrants.
Very very transparent.
It always amuses me how faux concern for women and LGBT people pops up from people who never gave a crap before. And often it's even coming mysogynistically too as if they own women.
I don't understand the point you are making here. There seems to be an implication in your posts that Western immigration policy is bad, in terms of who gets allowed in, but you're also contorting around to say how great the West is. So which is it?
If Western immigration policy is so bad then why is the West, with its high immigration, so good? And if immigration is such a threat to the secular order, then why are the Western countries more secular than they were even 50 years ago?
Ireland is a more secular country now than it was in the 1980s — it also has more immigrants now and indeed the children of immigrants. That seems odd. I would have thought all those migrants would have cast us back to the Dark Ages by now.
Dare I say that the Western liberal secular order owes much of its ideas of tolerance for others from the very fact that it has experienced more cultural interfacing via immigration which has fed a healthier attitude towards appreciating and respecting others in way that maximizes the ability of people from different cultures and background to succeed and prosper ?
Maybe the reason that some countries have high crime rates is because they have a violent culture?
I've met poor people that dont commit crime....
Maybe the core value that immigrants need to integrate into ireland is respecting the secular democratic tradition of the West....
Other core values are respecting women and the lgbt community etc.....
I'll be honest, I think secular democracies are just better than any other system. It is a key component of building a prosperous stable country.
As has been said, certain areas of cities in Ireland have higher crime rates. I don't need to name them. You can't use places like those to tarnish all of the Irish or ban all Irish from emigrating into countries.
See, you say that, but if I was to flip that question around and ask how many Irish women have been subjected at some stage in their lives to unwanted touching and grabbing in pubs and clubs in Ireland, what would you say the answer would be?
Now, for the record, I'm not in any way saying it's reflective of Irish culture. But it's just a demonstration of how you can pick and choose the way you reflect a culture. The post I responded to spoke of love for Aussie beach culture, while ignoring the fact that Brazil (a country from which we have a sizeable migrant population) also has a great beach culture. It's hard not to notice a certain bias there — and seems like a very roundabout way of simply saying Aussie migrants would be preferable to Brazilians. So why can't people just say that, and spare us all the convenient references to "beach culture"?
And of course there are countries where there are higher crime rates. This is almost always correlated to poverty and deprivation. The fact those countries tend to be poorer and have more deprived areas is the very reason for which emigrants wish to leave. If things were great in their countries, they would be less inclined to leave, right? Your policy — if you put it under the harsh light of how things would work in reality — would boil down to a system where people from very deprived places or backgrounds are refused because they would be deemed as coming from a culturally incompatible place. And of course, that logic becomes awkward if you apply it to us leaving too — "oh sorry, I see you're coming from a really rough crime-ridden part of Dublin so you're probably culturally incompatible so f**k off".
go into Coppers on a Saturday night — let's not pretend for a second that we don't know that women are routinely subjected to unwanted touching and grabbing by drunken Irish men and someone could just tar our entire culture with the same brush (the same way we are often told of Muslim migrants harassing women).
Absolutely desperate stuff. You're trying to draw a comparison that's nonsensical. I'd be surprised if even a few percent of Irish men engaged in the above on a night out, and it's something that has literally nothing to do with wider Irish culture. On the Islamic side, the view of women, which results in what you've mentioned, comes from wider Islamic cultural views.
It's like groundhog day with you every time you post in here. It's been explained to you again and again, that no one blames all immigrants for anything, but that certain demographics have higher crime rates globally, and that it's simply not worth the good for the bad, as all we're doing is adding more problems to society. Every post your make relies on lies, and holding views against others that they've never had.
Did you ever hear of some Irish gangs? They are quite big. Murders of innocent people have occurred. Imagine someone posted a link about one of those gangs to try to tar people like you or me with that same brush. A child could understand this so not sure why a lot of posters seem to think posting some crimes by immigrants means that all immigrants are criminals. Should Irish people be outlawed from other countries because of Irish criminal gangs?
Yeah but whose core values are we talking about here? Those things you mention from wealthy western countries — well — since when are those "core values" of Ireland? Beach culture, high end gastronomy and engineering?
It sounds like picking and choosing to be honest — Brazil has a beach culture for example. Hell, from what I've seen in Latin America, most of that continent has a much more similar family oriented culture (like Ireland) than you will find in places like France (having lived there myself).
People could pick and choose what Irish culture is depending on where they are looking. Applying the same blinkers you are wearing, people could boil us down to boorish drunkards. Go into Coppers on a Saturday night — let's not pretend for a second that we don't know that women are routinely subjected to unwanted touching and grabbing by drunken Irish men and someone could just tar our entire culture with the same brush (the same way we are often told of Muslim migrants harassing women).
You could put a quiet little peaceful town out the country beside the most deprived areas of Dublin and get a very different view of what Irish culture is and what our core values are. Like the elements of culture you chose to pick out of the hat, so much of it comes down to privilege too.
Agree 100%. Im really referring to the (small) crowd who turn up at any old protest. Like 5Gemmas crew who sat outside Google every weekday for months. The cheek of them to be complaining about immigrants using public resources.
Turning up and abusing asylum seekers is low end stuff though isnt it. As if these peoples first choice was to leave their country, their families and friends and move ito an old ESB office building in November in Ireland.
This made me laugh though: "Mr Steenson, who describes himself as a republican socialist, said he was one a committee of seven local people who met the ministers. He said the group gave the government seven days to move the asylum applicants out and close the building."
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/local-residents-and-right-wing-activists-among-crowd-as-protest-resumes-against-east-wall-asylum-accommodation-42176005.html
https://www.irishtimes.com/podcasts/in-the-news/the-black-axe-gang-a-new-frontier-in-irish-crime/
I had a German neighbour once. I think he had an alcohol problem and never cleaned up after his damn dog when it took a sh*te when he was walking it. He didn't even mention engineering once when I talked to him. What a let-down.
The Spanish indeed have delicious mananas though - manana fritters, manana smoothies, manana boats at the beach are great fun. That is what you're talking about right?
Disapointingly, any Aussies I've met in Ireland have never had a beach with them. Short-armed about getting their round in though.
I'd genuinely be interested to hear how foreign cultures benefit ireland.
Some cultures I genuinely like. I like the easy friendliness of Americans. I like the beach culture of Australia. I like the engineering culture of Germany. I like the manana culture in Spain. I like the civilised food and drink culture in France.
However, some other cultures I dont like as much...
I think for multiculturalism to work each individual culture has to share some core values. Imho, not all the cultures in Ireland share these core values.
Given that this graph dates from 2016, I can only assume I am a now a minority in my own area.
The topic is multiculturalism in Ireland
It is not riots in Belgium
It is not the housing crisis
What does your side of the debate do? Shout out labels like "far right" and "racist"?
People have legitimate concerns about multiculturalism. Shouting them down only works for so long....
I bet there is not one single person on boards that wants to completely stop immigration. However 99% of people here would like it reduced...
Sorry but how is this relevant?
Preservation of native Irish culture has had very little impact from immigration. The Irish language, possibly the ultimate expression of Irish culture, and it's position as a social, musical and political language on this island has been largely neglected by the Irish people. The people I know who are doing great work to continue to promote old Irish customs and heritage are certainly not Far Right
Far and away, the greatest changes in Irish culture over the last number of decades have been driven from within the English-speaking world — particularly the US (including things like social media which emanated from there) and the UK (British media, sports etc). The cultural impact of migrants on the 'erosion' of Irish culture does not seem very obvious to me.
This is just silly. You are making things up.
Yet never call out those countries at all...
Knowing the Japanese, they will invent their way out of it via technological innovation
Have a look at their population pyramid, it's practically inverted. They are in serious trouble and in real danger of being unable to meet basic needs as their population ages
“ fcuked “ is a slightly over the top analysis I would suggest , the Yen is still the third most secure currency and Japanese debt seen as extremely safe
I wouldn’t bet against them
Wow! What an argument!
If someone has a different viewpoint they are a "long term unemployed thicko"?
There are a lot of good hardworking people in ireland that struggle to get by. Just because they complain about immigrants getting free houses doesnt make them "long term unemployed thickos".
Shame on you.
I'm pretty sure I'm talking to the far right account that's been banned several times so consider that box checked Mr. Brand-new-account-that-is-only-focused-on-immigration
And they are pretty much fkd because of it to such an extent they are looking at opening up their society ASAP as their entire economic model is about to come crashing down
You are the one who started with the label
The thing is, to the "far left" everyone that questions immigration is "far right". The term "far right" has now lost it's meaning due to overuse.
I bet if you actually spoke to people that you consider "far right" you'd find out they were totally opposed to immigration...
No one really has a problem with a doctor coming to work... people do have a problem with someone that comes to Ireland for the free money...
Are the Japanese a nation of embittered clowns? , they have chosen a path of ( relative to Western Europe ) of near absolute preservation of the native culture
The same people have no credibility because they are clearly racist and believe in things like some weird Jewish conspiracy theories. Covid was a hoax etc. Do you think the general public are going to get behind these loons? They can't even get along with each other. It's all about ego for most of them. People are not going to demonise and hate migrants. It's not going to fly at a national level. They can't even keep their own racism in check. I honestly think some of them are leftists who have infiltrated and are exposing the far right. Otherwise it's just an extreme lack of awareness as they are literally ensuring that they get the opposite result to what they claim they want - zero public support.
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