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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,922 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Anyway in Eamon's world...

    jaysus the man is asleep at the wheel and away with the fairies. Whatever **** he smokes it must be top drawer

    Cant wait to see da cors explanation of the above because anyone with any bit of sense knows its pure bullshit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    It`s when he was on a state paid jolly in Egypt he should have paid attention to the sun. It`s addled whatever few brain cells he has left.

    Last year we had 4,309 MW of installed wind capacity. 136 MW of installed solar capacity. As per usual no price as to what this will cost but the strike price for solar Ress 2 in May was the same as for U.K. nuclear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,860 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    White elephant, solar has a capacity factor of 11% in Ireland (source Eirgrid). 5000 MW from solar would be an absolute nightmare for the ESB and Eirgrid and the people with solar panels. Let's visit our friends in the state of South Australia.

    Solar and wind power shutdown forecast as SA remains cut off from national electricity grid

    Solar panel surge is overloading the electricity grid and could lead to blackouts: energy group


    Did anyone tell them about the duck curve?


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I don't keep a track of national solar developments to be honest but I know there's a good few applications gone in over the last while around Galway.

    The most recent one I'm aware of in Galway is one out by Cregmore golf club, a 25 hectare extension of one that already has permission for a 140 hectare solar farm. There's another in Tuam and I think another in Barnaderg. There's possibly more but those are the only ones I'm aware of.

    As to whether we'll have 5GW by 2025,couldn't tell you, guess we'll have to wait and see. Though if the RESS for solar is set up with similar conditions as the offshore O-RESS, then there are benefits to getting the generation going ASAP and penalties if they just sit on the planning approvals without developing the generation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭Phil McCracken


    Fundamentalists travellers ! Is that a Netflix series 🤔



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,777 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Capacity Factor. French nuclear will be lucky to hit 50% this year. Hywind gets 57% , Hornsea is 47% and anything off our Atlantic Coast should do at least as well. China's planning a 43.3GW wind farm with an expected capacity factor of 43% - 49%

    44% installed capacity? good to know the goalposts have to keep being shifted to make nuclear look sort of OK. Nuclear represents a lot more than 44% of cost of generators. Open cycle gas has a low capacity factor, but it's cheap to install and flexible, and could run on hydrogen later on. Solar costs a fraction of nuclear and everyone knows it doesn't work in the dark so it's OK for it to have a lower capacity factor.

    France will be shutting down older stations as the average age is 37 years. Blayais, Bugey, Chinon, Cruas, Dampierre, Gravelines, and Tricastin are in line for closure. Only one is under construction, Flamanville 3 and since 2004 it's construction costs have more than quadrupled, with another €300m and another six months delay added in January.

    In that time renewables went from niche to quarter of the EU's electricity was generated by wind and solar from March to September averting €11Bn of extra gas costs.



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    https://www.reuters.com/world/france-braces-uncertain-winter-nuclear-power-shortage-looms-2022-08-30/


    Also  The head of French nuclear regulator ASN said .. that fixing corrosion problems at some of state-controlled utility EDF's (EDF.PA) nuclear reactors would require a "large scale" plan and "several years" as he warned of a risk more reactors could be halted.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Looks like this might go a long way to sorting out the shortage of long term rental properties

    It’s understood the new rules will mean anyone offering accommodation for up to and including 21 nights will need to be registered with Fáilte Ireland. Platforms offering short-term lets will be required to check property details and only advertise properties with a valid registration number.

    All short-term and holiday lettings will be required to register with Fáilte Ireland via an online portal that will confirm whether they have the necessary planning permissions. The tourism body has estimated the measure will take 12,000 full-unit properties – meaning houses or apartments – out of short-term platforms.

    The agency said there was about 27,000 properties with 130,000 beds in the State being advertised on online platforms, with 20,000 of them thought to cover full properties. Sources indicated that the plan is to have the legislation through the Oireachtas and the required European Union notification procedures in place by the end of March next year.

    Personally I'd prefer if they just outright banned AirBnB etc but I guess this is the next best thing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I`m seriously questioning if you can tell the difference between an apple and an orange.

    You go off on a rant about French nuclear and wind energy and next you are off around the world again comparing rolling average wind capacity for selective sites in the U.K. and a projected rolling average for a Chinese wind farm.

    From your own post #17551 it shows that for Thursday, (taking into account your claim of French nuclear generating 10 Gigawatts less this year), France`s installed nuclear capacity of 37% provided 64% of their needs. Wind at 13.5% of installed capacity provided 3%.

    As I have said before, rolling capacity for wind is meaningless. When the wind does not blow, it does not blow. Average rolling capacities from around the world will not change that. Nuclear come hail, rain, sun or wind will happily toddle along at 90%+ of it`s installed capacity.

    My own fault really, I should have know better and that it would be quickly back to comparing apples and oranges. A pointless exercise imho, so I`ll leave you to rant away about evil nuclear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,558 ✭✭✭ginger22


    Why not take that idea to its ultimate and compel home owners to take in refugees while you are at it. Or confiscate every house in the country. It is insane stuff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,558 ✭✭✭ginger22




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,333 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    He just spouts continuous lies and gets away with it

    "Last month, wind energy provided nearly half of all electricity in Ireland, driving down the cost of energy, he said."

    I must have missed the announcement that energy providers here reduced their pricing. Or, is he like our resident green here who doesn't know the difference between wholesale and marginal pricing.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,333 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Christ on a bike that's a stupid plan. Would be far better for emissions and efficiency to upgrade it to gas. Same with Tarbert across the river, a dirty aul kip like Moneypoint but has the electrical infrastructure already built so upgrade it to gas and reduce emissions even more.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    I love that word force. Seems to used a lot with greens. And who said they weren't fascists.

    Post edited by Mr. teddywinkles on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,333 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Failte Ireland like happy clappy seals cheering on that many short term let's removed from the market, all the while hotels are full of Ukrainians. Are they not supposed to be encouraging travel to this country?

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Why is it insane to remove short term lets to get those properties into either the long term lettings or sales? Both of those markets are desperately short of stock and have been since 2018. Deep down I believe you agree with the endeavour to provide long term housing and are just cribbing because the policy came out of the GP.

    Hmm, or maybe you are one of the AirBnB multi-property "hosts" and its your own pocket you are concerned about. A member of the Big Property elite perhaps? Nah, my first guess is probably correct


    It's possible to do both



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,333 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    I don't agree with the government forcing people to move their property into long term leasing or selling just because they can't get there own act together on housing.

    I've used ityself when traveling abroad and for a family it's a far superior option to hotels. This obsession with government interfering in every aspect of life is bloody tiring.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You are pissed because the govt are taking action to provide more housing?

    Don't think you'll find too many echoing that sentiment to be honest but ok



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭ps200306


    As to whether we'll have 5GW by 2025,couldn't tell you, guess we'll have to wait and see.

    And, of course, we'll have to wait and see what it costs too. Your nonchalance is depressing, though not surprising.

    This is something the Greenies don't seem to get. It really, really matters to the economy what all these renewables are going to cost. We are already straddled with 5GW of wind that costs a multiple of the conventional price of fossil fuel generation. Future projects are going to have to come in massively cheaper. The current trajectory is that prices are going up, not down. Then you have to add all the additional stuff that makes it possible to integrate renewables on the grid -- transmission infrastructure, backup generation, storage, multiple conversions (e.g. via hydrogen). None of this stuff is cheap. Those extra large Korean electrolyser plants that you think you mighta sort of heard about ... we'd need 200 of those.

    I don't particular care what the Greens do. Their obvious lack of a clear costed plan means everything they try is guaranteed to fail. Eventually we'll realise this and stop trying to be plucky little pioneers of immature technology. The only thing I care about is how much damage they'll do along the way. They need to be prevented from bankrupting the country and from running down our fossil fuel infrastructure before there are adequate replacements (which won't be in the next 30 years). If there is any silver lining to the inflation, rising interest rates and debt crisis that is heading our way, it is that Big Wind will no longer have access to the cheap money that enabled it to bid for decades of guaranteed payouts at taxpayers expense. The question is whether the Greens will keep trying to double down when future auctions start producing bids of 200 or 300 / MWh. When that level of inflation gets into our energy costs -- which underpin the cost of everything else -- we are hosed.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I find it very strange how some are so concerned about the costs of private ventures in renewable energy yet do not have any concerns about similar ventures in fossil fuel energy.

    Very strange

    Personally I don't worry about the costs as its borne by the private companies, regardless of the tech involved.

    One thing is for sure the trajectory is clear on which way the grid is going.



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  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You keep forgetting the branding with a hot iron and the indentured servitude for at least 3 generations of the family. Please make sure that you include all the nonsense from now on, I can't keep correcting you



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]




  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    For the same reason we are still using coal oil and gas, the grid hasn't transitioned to fully renewable energy yet.

    Not sure why that basic fact needs to be said, but there we are lol

    You are doing the equivalent of walking into a kitchen 30 mins after a turkey has gone into the oven and claiming the oven is stupid because the turkeys not cooked already. Silly logic but entertaining lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    Its going to be a tough couple of years for for small scale tourist enterprises, the dearth of budget/affordable accommodation will be felt across the industry, scores of cheaper hotels are out of the market due to being occupied by refugees/asylum seekers and the latest green plan will target the affordable room sector once again, its like the Greens really have in for the plebs, dont want us or other foreign plebs clogging up the country on our ill deserved holidays, the greens only want the wealthy to holiday here in the 5 star hotels and the the latest"eco tourist" haunts.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Talk to me about their plans for the management of high level nuclear waste for the next few thousand years and the costs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,706 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Look at the map of Germany and its position in Europe and tell us if Ireland would have the same issues with off shore wind as they have with onshore?

    I am not an expert in this area and am only an ordinary consumer who agrees that it is a no brainer to increase our energy from wind and solar where possible.

    I don't understand the way people are so rigidly opposed to getting cheaper ( in the long term) cleaner energy from our obviously very windy coastline ?

    As regards nuclear it is a expensive and costly ( in maintenance, staffing, construction and waste) way to source energy and its unbelievable that some posters here are pushing it as a viable alternative for an island nation, at this stage in our evolution.

    France for example, are trying to row back from nuclear due to high maintenance and costs from corrosion, and waste management. 70 years indeed, and crumbling reactors!

    As regards the nuclear reactors in China, well, excuse me for not being wowed by that country's efforts! 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,637 ✭✭✭maninasia


    You need to worry bwcause they cancel projects when they cant turn a profit, thats what caused the current energy generation crisis.


    Keep up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,333 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    It's not cheaper, that's the whole point. Nor is it securing our energy independence as some claim because we are still beholden to other countries to manufacture, mine, and develop all these other technologies.

    Honestly we are looking to upgrade an entire electrical network developed for large scale generation with something completely different and some crackpots (not you) think this can be achieved by 2030 or even sooner. They are off their rockers. It's not going to happen and would bankrupt the country if they tried.

    We should be looking to slowly wean off fossil fuels over a much longer timescale. The main reason being even if we switched off everything in this country now it wouldn't register in global emissions and only serves to make the citizens here all the poorer. It all sounds like a great idea, we should lead the way blah blah blah, but it's never ever backed up with an economical viable plan. We'd be far better off spending the hundreds of billions required on sorting out the housing issue, improve the student to teacher ratio and drive up education standards, than any of these other initiatives.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,912 ✭✭✭Danno



    More dictatorship style leadership from the GP telling people what they can and cannot do with their own properties.



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