... or would anyone? My opinion is no one would. There would be plenty of strong words and maybe weapons supplies but that would be it. Thoughts?
It would help if it made sense.
Feels like it was intended as segue into something else about NATO, eu or such. If so that's a really irritating way to post on a forum.
A topic about Ireland military obligations or defence position in EU would be interesting topic in it's own right. But you don't lead with "invasion".
I think my thread has been comprehensively misunderstood.
It didn't change. It was already ratified by all the other countries before Lisbon 1. All we got was some marketing guff. Believe what you want but that was the reality. You are an embarrassment voting on something based off marketing spin.
Just reference the articles that were amended for us ... Off you go ...
After many years of being screwed by the Irish government, i would keep my powder dry, see if the Russians treated me any better, if they did or the same as previous government, i would not give a damn who was taxing me!
I Imagine most would be the same.
Why would i fight to keep our current rulers big juicy pensions?
So you prefer bend over and come and take me approach instead,get it.
We will send you to negotiate
The level of armed forces that a country like Ireland could ever afford wouldnt be able to defend us against any country that would want to invade us.
Its pointless us having one, let alone trying to make it larger or "better".
Its not an insurance policy for us any more than it would be for the Isle of Man.
Shannon was long enough to be an emergency alternate for the Space Shuttle.
That's the thing They actually do have the range.
If we weren't "neutral" you'd could make it fantastic resource for military use. But they don't "need" it. Chinese would also find it useful.
In case of a larger scale war yes, but no one is going to be invading Ireland (in isolation of as part of the larger war) in order to get access to Shannon. Even in a worst case scenario of a larger conflict, the complete lack of further military infrastructure around Shannon would rank it fairly far down the list of important airstrips in the British Isles.
Ireland is neither a particularly strategic location nor an easy location to support invading forces. The cost/benefit ratio is non-existent.
I actually wanted to infer that Shannon would be of strategic interest in case of a larger scale war. Anything that would serve logistics would be of interest. Many military planes for transport also don't have the required range to just fly around Ireland. However they may consider using Prestwick in Scotland ?
Also, eventually Ireland would have to come to terms with neutrality and the current Irish approach to it. Having the RAF to guard the Irish airspace isn't exactly neutral either, same as US military using Shannon airport during the war on terror. This also begs the question, why Shannon, if Prestwick was an option as well?
I understand that during WWII the Irish Armed Forces occupied the airport, and the civilian stop over flights only started just after the war in 1945?
Yes, Shannon is convenient. That is a far cry from strategic.
I think the US military still finds Shannon Airport as a convenient point for a short stop over for refueling.
There are also unconfirmed reports that the US financed the extra long runway at Knock airport, for possible military use at some undetermined date in the future.
What are you talking about.
References to, and language referring to atomic energy and military neutrality were changed.
Every voting age person in the country got a printed explanation.
Everyone can bypass Ireland on Transatlantic fights. It's more fuel efficient (cheaper) to fly direct to where ever they are going in the UK or Europe. It's irrelevant.
Maybe you think someone gets out with a pen knife.
https://www.livescience.com/64376-explorer-deepest-dive-atlantic-ocean.html
As long as Mick Wallace and Clare Daly represents Ireland,dont expect any help from anyone
USA can bypass Ireland with expensive planes refuelling. Ireland is a great refuelling point.
How deep is the Atlantic Ocean basin? The average depth of the Atlantic is 3,338 metres (10,932 ft) when taking into consideration its dependent seas; without them, it is slightly deeper at 3,926 metres (12,881 ft). The deepest spot is found in the Puerto Rico Trench at 8,605 metres (28,232 ft)
good luck with that Jacques Cousteau
So your logic is the US with all the latest tech and hardware, doesn't have the range to bypass Ireland or support itself without Ireland. Even though they do this all around the globe.
But the Russians do with their broken down fleet and aircraft which has to be towed around the place. They would have to get past all Nato forces in the west. Against the tech that has current bleed them to a standstill a short distance from their border.
I'm thinking the geography is still against them.
Its not too deep and of course they could just drag something, or fire something at them to damage them. They are very vulnerable.
Technology has though.
Sea floor is way to deep far out you need a continental shelf to be able to mess with them.
As far as I'm aware the geography hasn't changed.
The aircraft don't "need" to land at Shannon. They do because they can and are allowed to. All the other US aircraft get the the UK and Europe without stopping here. Zero need for that.
You can't defend cables that run the length of the Atlantic.
https://www.9news.com.au/technology/how-vulnerable-are-the-undersea-cables-that-power-the-global-internet-wold-news/1cf0c842-875a-4d1f-a129-9aad11a372c3
That's because of geography at the time. Hitler could not take the UK. If he did Ireland would be also speaking German. IIRC even Hitler at the time thought it would be a waste of resources to Take Ireland first.
It wasn't in the last one. There was more need for it then than now.
Not now, but if there was another world war with a European theatre then Ireland undoubtable would be.
They are not impossible to defend against.
They could certainly do nuisance actions against Ireland. Most of which are impossible to defend against. They've done the same to the UK.
Yeah forget about the cables and that. Ireland is strategically important to the USA for example. Shannon. I mean yes they could park 2 aircraft carriers off here and still fly but 2 less carriers.
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