... or would anyone? My opinion is no one would. There would be plenty of strong words and maybe weapons supplies but that would be it. Thoughts?
Looking at what was discussed by De Valera during WWII, the plan was to side immediately and ask for assistance from the side that was not invading. i.e. if Germany attacked Ireland would look for British military help. It was proposed that British units would fight under the Irish flag here..
I guess the same would happen again.
The Russian navy would be at the bottom of the north Atlantic before they'd get within an asses roar of us.
The same one that does live fire exercises off the coast ? Pretty sure fishermen went to have a look.
Would the Royal Irish not be the Technical solution ?
Yes, I've read all about that time during WWII, the S Plan and the Plan Kathleen and also the role of the IRA. I also recall seeing a documentary about that.
I think any island in the Atlantic would be of military interest in the case of a bigger armed conflict. Thus the US Americans set up bases in Newfoundland ( which wasn't part of Canada back then ) and the British grabbed the Faroe Islands as well as Iceland? just for the Nazis not to get their hands at them.
So, in the end, Ireland as an island would be of strategic interest in any large scale war.
We don't spend a few billion per year,we spend on average 800 million of which 50% of that goes on wages and pensions
According to you, all discussion and what if scenarios are pointless unless they are a foreseeable threat. So according to your logic, our army is utterly pointless since no one wants to invade us.
As are all army war gaming scenarios like terrorists taking over Spike Island. Utter waste of time as no terrorists would take over Spike Island.
Or football training where a team plays against itself - utterly pointless as they will be playing other teams in the real competition.
I'm just following the logic of you and people like you have followed on this thread. And yes there is childlike logic on this thread - but it isn't mine.
I think so too.
It was only stopped with some last minute seat of the pants stuff.
The Lisbon treaty didn't change at all between 1 and 2 so you are 100% wrong there. 100% wrong. Smart arse
Probably. Might be a problem getting to fully leave after?
Another 800 years should do it.
Actually rubbish.
The only thing thats inevitable in this life, is night following day and some time in the distant future even that won't be the case.
Had Ukraine (or anyone) seen the level of danger to their sovereignty back during the Yushchenko administration, they could have made a formal application to join NATO and formed interim bi-lateral defence pacts to that end. And in those days, Russia wouldn't have been in any position, politically or militarily, to do anything about it.
One of the reasons Putin did not declare his military adventure in Ukraine to be a war is because it would be domestically unpalatable.
If Putin were to invade Ireland, I can imagine that unpalatability to be far, far greater - great enough to act as a permanent deterrent.
You said it was activated. It wasnt.
What we voted on did change. Hence the 2nd vote.
This thread is an embarassment. Everyone is calling you out for being wrong on just about everything you spout.
Its either amateur ... parodying.
Or perhaps youre in some kind of politics based brewsters millions scenario.
Or maybe its just some of the sh1ttest political takes in the history of this site. And thats saying something.
Back then aircraft didn't have the range they have now. Neither did communications.
Some are still important but necessary for the same reasons.
nothing of substance changed think flags anthem and alike. Has anyone actually read the huge legalese text ? It's designed to be impenetrable outside of legal circles. IIRC Ireland at the time was asked to vote yes on this document with little explanation of what it entailed.
Op, I think your thread has been comprensively debunked. Stick another one up for more posts tomorrow. Hugs.
What freeloading?
As a member of EU we are obliged to help other EU members if attacked and so are they if anybody attacks us.
Err did they not have an opt out for that.
Regardless what the US ( or Trump's US ) want's to buy or not, Greenland is as far as I know part of NATO via Denmark, - albeit it enjoys a great amount of autonomy.
We have strong Irish nationalists like yourself who will give their lives for their country. We would be alright.
I think what a lot of people are missing is that for a bad-faith actor like Russia, Ireland in certain scenarios could be (an their navy activity would suggest that they may view us as) a tempting first-order "attack surface" for hybrid warfare activities that would fall short of an invasion - which few people are actually saying is a probablity. In the cyber-domain, undersea infrastructure domain, civilian and public infrastructure domain, disinformation and dark arts intelligence domain etc - there's very little restraining them from taking a pop at Ireland. The HSE cyber attack and Russian intelligence f*ckery in Ireland already points towards they are kind of already at it.
We are in their minds, for all intents and purposes part of the broader geopolitcal "West" that they are railing against. As an attack surface, Ireland is a good low risk target for the activities mentioned above. Hybrid attacks on NATO member countries are likely to generate stronger responses from core countries like the US / UK / France etc, who have the capability to disrupt and respond in-kind, and are bound by Treaty to do so.
As a sheer trolling adventure, hybrid attacks on Ireland across a number of vectors would generate sufficient "look at what we can do" press, with the added bonus of NATO countries looking at each other with confusion and prompting disagreement as to how much they should go to the well to provide protection to a non-Treaty member country.
As mentioned before in another thread. Ireland has a couple of options:
Both options will require spending money, and option 2 would likely be cheaper. Article 5 protection doesn't cost a penny, it just means signing the Treaty and you're defence spending is your own sovereign business.
TBH I'm not Irish but. If it was russia there is no option not to pickup and gun and stand a post. Seeing what they are up to in Ukraine. I have family to protect.
The point is Ireland isn't critical to anyone. Well other than the Irish.
Yeah forget about the cables and that. Ireland is strategically important to the USA for example. Shannon. I mean yes they could park 2 aircraft carriers off here and still fly but 2 less carriers.
They could certainly do nuisance actions against Ireland. Most of which are impossible to defend against. They've done the same to the UK.
They are not impossible to defend against.
Not now, but if there was another world war with a European theatre then Ireland undoubtable would be.
It wasn't in the last one. There was more need for it then than now.
That's because of geography at the time. Hitler could not take the UK. If he did Ireland would be also speaking German. IIRC even Hitler at the time thought it would be a waste of resources to Take Ireland first.
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