... or would anyone? My opinion is no one would. There would be plenty of strong words and maybe weapons supplies but that would be it. Thoughts?
Because since the beginning of this inane thread, you've completely failed to grasp the concept, that the future is unknown.
I already gave you the example of the Ukrainians hosting Euro 2012 with Poland, sitting in the stadium in Kharkiv, for example, drinking a beer, enjoying the football and the festivities on a balmy summer night.
If you tried to tell one of those Ukrainians that night, that in 11 years time, their Country would be semi-occupied, mostly bombed out west of the Dnipro and 15% of their population would have fled as refugees of War, they'd have called the men in white coats to take you away....
A modern military is an insurance policy, kept by responsible nations due to to the regrettable lessons of history. Including the history being written this very day in the Donbass.
And no amount of child level logic and argument from you, will make you correct.
Can't answer the question. Not surprising TBF.
Yeah, so what... 🙄
You just didn't understand the point did you.
So what? Seems an expensive waste of money if we have no fear of ever being invaded. Plenty of other countries who actually need an army can do this.
Our military is largely employed in overseas peacekeeping activities, for which we are highly regarded.
So why have a military at all in that case? Let's get rid of them and save ourselves a few billion a year.
My point exactly.
You are 100% wrong on the Lisbon treaty. All the EU did was clarify some points, but the treaty itself was unchanged. All the other EU states had already ratified it, so there was NO CHANGE between Lisbon 1 and 2. It was like Boris Johnson's oven ready Brexit deal, that was the exact same as Theresa May's one.
As for Article 16, the EU almost triggered it, and it was only blocked at the last minute. Dublin were kept completely out of the loop by them.
"The EU had signalled its intention to trigger Article 16 of the protocol to temporarily place export controls on the movement of vaccines amid an ongoing row with AstraZeneca, which has said expected initial deliveries of its Covid-19 jab will fall short.
That controversy is explained in further detail here.
The plans led to frantic talks between Dublin, London and Brussels on Friday evening, before the EU was forced to do a dramatic u-turn at the literal eleventh hour."
They only didn't because someone copped on to themselves at the last minute.
And I'm surprised the non neutral EU countries agreed to protect us but we didn't agree to protect them.
Bingo.
There are so, so, many things standing in the way of a Russian invasion of Ireland - especially in the light of recent military events over the past year - that any contemplation of it or the subsequent fallout is rendered utterly pointless.
More chance of US invading Russia
Would we need help? Ukraine seem to be doing okay and we have something they don't. Hurls.
Aliens 👽
Save us from?
It's not interesting to explore because it makes no sense. So any consequences and response would have be equally nonsensical. Rendering the reason for exploring it pointless.
You werent made to vote on the same thing twice.
The EU said 'hey Ireland how about this'.
And Ireland said 'ok looks pretty good ... except that bit about nuclear energy and neutrality'.
So the EU came back with a new proposal which was like the old proposal ... minus the bits we didnt like.
Its a new model. Ps4, Ps5. Lisbon 1, Lisbon 2.
Also EU didnt trigger Article 13.
Also you can expect military assistance from the EU, and no that doesnt infer that we must do the same, we have a clause for our neutrality.
So thats 4 swings, 4 misses.
Ffs go and read.
It's not about Russia invading us,the fact people expect everyone to come save us and ensure our sovereign territory,
But then turning around and saying ohhh I don't want us going to help our friends and allies
Ukraine land grab was not unlikely. Neither are political games especially with Russia.
Invading Ireland however would make no sense even in a military fictional what if scenario.
It would be more like James Bond plot. Evil Irish billionaire threatens moon with nuclear rocket. That may be Despicible 4 or Artemis Fowl plot though.
I ignore everything you write. I've told you this many times. You're contribution here is absolutely worthless.
You've missed the point, completely.
The question is asking us to hypothetically examine the possible geopolitical and military consequences if Russia were to meddle in a non-NATO European country. Whilst it may not happen, it's interesting to assess the possible implications. A global nuclear war is also highly unlikely, but military experts have gamed all possibilities out, regardless.
Your blithe dismissal is of little to no value here.
The UK and USA and the EU, in that order would blow their asses to hell if they ever invaded Ireland.
There are a lot of politicians with Irish connections in both camps in the USA.
The UK will put a stop to it for mostly selfish reasons. They don't want the Russian Bear at their doorstep.
The EU, well they would have no choice but to put a stop to it.
Ok, a World War might be triggered. But c'est la vie.
Is this the case? Not what I had been led to believe.
Russia isn't going to be invading anyone in the morning, let alone us.
It’s an interesting question. In the highly unlikely event it did occur my take would be a look at our history.
First off I don’t think you would see the yanks or NATO helping beyond provision of weaponry and war funds. The Brits would immediately shore up the boarder and assist with people fleeing to the six counties.
But I think you would see a mass mobilization of militia elements on the island to disrupt, destroy and kill as many Russians as possible. The provisional movements in the past genuinely shows how crazy Irish people can be when faced with a superior foe. I think there is this strange burning patriotic fire in a lot of Irish people and throw into the mix proper weapons then you have a genuine resistance beyond the standard army.
Anyway that’s my opinion of this will never happen scanerio.
In accordance with the terms of EU treaties all members of the EU would be required to come to our assistance it would be exactly the same as an attach on NATO. Ireland is not a neutral country. Not going to happen, so find something more realistic to worry about.
@[Deleted User] This thread is nothing whatsoever to do with the EU. I don't foresee or expect any direct military support because of our EU membership, as it implies we would have to provide direct military support were say Poland invaded, whether we wanted to or not.
But it someone invaded us or attacked we would get direct military support from Poland and other EU countries whether they like it or not ,
It's a two way street,you or we cannot be expected to be protected while crying about have to send military support to another EU country.
We need to get rid of the rediculous triple lock which allows other countries a say of any Irish defense forces deployments,we need to develop our own defense polices and infrastructure
Not sure what sort of "reality check" this is? It's a standards evaluation?
And that great supporter of socialism, the journal.ie, talking in hushed tones about NATO 😂
People need to have reality check.
https://www.thejournal.ie/irish-defence-forces-nato-evaluation-artillery-5927841-Nov2022/
I am not extremely Eurosceptic. I am a proud EU citizen and voted in favour of all the EU referenda and the first Lisbon treaty. Because we were made to vote again, I voted no the second time. If that makes me "an extreme Eurosceptic" then so be it.
Our EU membership is worth a lot economically, especially post Brexit. That much is blatantly obvious.
Pointing out problems in something does not make you anti that thing. I don't believe in unconditional worship of particular ideas, ideologies or institutions unlike some on here. I was shocked at the EU triggering Article 13 without even notifying Dublin.
Anyway, weren't we assured that the EU wasn't a military alliance for Lisbon 2? Or is that now in the bin?
This thread is nothing whatsoever to do with the EU. I don't foresee or expect any direct military support because of our EU membership, as it implies we would have to provide direct military support were say Poland invaded, whether we wanted to or not.
It would also make a base to attack France. Think Cuban Missile Crisis. And the French have subs with missiles.
At this stage Russia's GDP is probably about the same as Spain's. Like the French they have a long history of nuisance neighbours from our neck of the wood and wouldn't relish another.
With all that's going on in Ukraine, I'm half surprised the Chinese haven't moved into Mongolia which used to be a Soviet backed state.
What's more the Russians have to fly/sail past those nations to get here.
It would be tactical insanity. Charge of the light brigade ironically.
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