So the balls-up has started since last night which makes Fairview from clontarf to Edges corner a single lane with bollards down the centre.
This will be a permanent feature and works will take 21 months.
It is the argument.
If the residents of North Strand are expected to accept a 600m bus spacing, then the rest of city should be as well. This would result in half the stops being removed.
Perhaps all the leafy desirable post codes should maintain a 300m spacing, while we remove half the stops from the inner city and disadvantaged areas?
You speak of a gym as if it's all weights and hard core exercise....
What about an elderly person with back issues or arthritis who swims to relieve pain? Do you think these people "have no business being in a gym"?
The answer to that should have been to reposition all stops and leave a spacing of 300-500m. Instead they just removed a stop and leave random spacing of 200-600m.
This decision was made in August 2022 and was done without consultation. They've made a total mess of the bus locations along the C2CC route and residents are entirely justified and don't deserve to be ridiculed.
Need to do the maths here, to bring us in line with international best practice, which you've stated we are in excess of. So it wouldn't actually be half, you need to factor in a removal of the unnecessary bus stops we have in Dublin that average out to every 300m rather than international best practice of 400m as you say.
Do you acknowledge we have too many bus stops if our average distance between them is ahead of international best practice?
Of course they're allowed use gyms. But if 100m of a walk (I say 100m as that is what wad mentioned in the article) or even 300m of a walk is too much of a struggle then those people have no business being in a gym where they'd be exerting far more physical effort than a 100m or 300m walk.
That's not the argument. The argument is removing bus stops where the gap between them is 300m. That's a lot less than half
It's an extra 300m, stop saying 100m which is false.
You realize that gyms are not just for young fit people in their 20s and 30s? The elderly, visually impaired, deaf, wheelchair users etc etc are allowed to use gyms? Are you suggesting these sorts of people should have to get a taxi if they want to use a gym?
The C2CC project represents about 1% of the 230km of bus lanes which are expected to be upgraded as part of Bus Connects.
Imagine the carnage when DCC announce randomly, after works have commenced, .... "here's the latest list of bus stops we are permanently closing without any consultation or justification to the impacted residents"
So then, I take it you support removing HALF of all bus stops in Dublin? Like literally half of them.
Cause the same logic applies to the broader network as to the residents of North Strand.
Ah, I read a lot of nonsense complaints about this project and others, but the removal of bus stops is one that I'd actually think is an actual issue. As much as I think that there's an issue with too many bus stops in some places, there should be a debate about the removal of any, and it just didn't really happen in this instance, as they only announced they were removing them permanently after they'd already started construction.
It's just not ideal.
And if international best practice is 400m between stops why do we have an average of 300m? I'd be delighted to see the back of several bus stops along the routes I use, particularly when a bus is pulling back in at a stop having not got out of 2nd gear from the previous one, and you can still see that bus stop from the back window.
International best practice..
What about her ludicrous arguments about having to walk a small bit further to take a bus to a gym, or to Dublin Airport (given that there is no direct bus from North Strand to Dublin Airport so she seems content with the idea of changing buses, walking several kilometres inside Dublin Airport, etc but the extra 100m to the bus stop is a monumental issue).
Moaners like her love to moan.
The article is wrong, it's not "100metres". It's 300metres up a hill. Big difference there.
It's as simple as this - international best practice for bus spacing is 400m but North Strand gets 600m which is 50% higher than guidelines.
The average bus spacing in Dublin is currently 300m. Can you imagine how many upset residents there would be if DCC decided, without consultation or justification, to remove HALF of all bus stops in Dublin?
Even better are these 2 comments:
The bus stop at Westwood Gym is also due to be removed, which is terrible for anyone using the gym who doesn’t drive.
Now it’s so difficult, especially if we want to go to the airport with luggage,” she added.
If 100m walk is a struggle then Dublin Airport and Westwood gym must be impossible go navigate.
Anger over an extra 100m walk to a bus stop. If 100m is that challenging then it's a taxi you need not a bus.
Have you ever heard of confirmation bias?
What do statistics mean anyway
Whatever,as I said i see very few women cycling, actually counted as the bus I was on passed cyclists going into into the city yesterday, maybe one woman for every ten men.
That you put more stock in personal anecdotes rather than statistical evidence allows for everyone to dismiss you as a crank and a troll
If you want to be taken seriously, do better.
Some of the cyclists were food deliverers and they were all male.
Lots of people on scooters and they were predominately female, there were actually more people on scooters than cycling,its a lot less effort I suppose.
What do statistics mean anyway, if ten women cycle and it increases by two thats a twenty per cent increase,sounds like a huge improvement but its still a tiny number.
The Census shows that you’re a wrong about the gender balance of cyclists as you are about everything else.
Actually it doesnt, compared to a regular road.
That's one of the main reasons I don't use it myself. Too many stops for lights at those bridges/roads. And congestion a busy times.
The grand canal cycle route has very frequent bridge crossings
The cycle path in Dun Laoghaire would be an example of it, right? Although motor traffic restricted to a single direction.
I'm assuming there would have been a problem with residents if all of the bike lane was on one side, if cars are trying to exit their house across two lanes of bike lane rather than just one - ditto vis a vis cars exiting side roads.
The fact is that in the entire city I dont think we have any example of a two way bike lane on a residential street that has houses and buildings on it. Where they exist its the likes of the Alfie Byrne Road or the canal.
Is the one out in Dun Laoghaire two way on a residential street? not sure.
The canal isnt a useful comparison as you cant replicate a canal. Griffith Avenue has junctions every 200 yards, a canal doesnt have that.
Enforcement on what?
(Apols, I missed the first 1400 posts)
I know it's a small issue, but I noticed up at Griffith Ave. extension, that the kerbing on one side of the road is rounded, and the other side is squared.
Would have been nice to have a bit of consistency there.
"A proper segregated bike lane along one whole side of the road was needed similar to the one along the grand canal."
Yep, I agree completely. That is why I said it is "only ok".
It is certainly better then what was there before, just a line painted on the ground, which everyone ignored and just parked their car in. However it really wouldn't have been much more difficult to build a proper, wider, two way segregated cycle lane on one side of the road.
"You still have bus stops and other lanes crossing as well as all the driveways which has not changed for them to be aware of the bike lane."
Agreed on the bus stop, the driveways are pretty much unavoidable, even if you had a two way cycle lane, the drive way entrances would still have been necessary unfortunately. Though if you had a two way cycle lane, it might be more obvious and protected.
"The leaves built up to an unsafe level and looks like they can’t easily get in to clear them in place."
I don't know if true, they claim they can clear the leaves with the concrete kerb, but not the bollards. I guess a street cleaner machine can get up over the kerbing.
BTW you should have seen the craziness of what they were initially proposing for in front of the schools, putting the car parking on the inside of the bike lane! At least they changed their mind on that and are now putting the bike lane next to the footpath and the parking on the outside.
Overall I feel like I'd give it a C-, better then the F that was there before, but far from an A it could easily have been. Definitely a missed opportunity.
I cycle on that bike lane regularly, it’s awful. Those concrete bollards are actually quite dangerous and hard to see in the dark evenings with all the leaves that Griffith Ave gets. You still have bus stops and other lanes crossing as well as all the driveways which has not changed for them to be aware of the bike lane.
I’ve had a car door swing open into the lane from a parking space, presumably they didn’t realise there was a lane inside the parked car. The leaves built up to an unsafe level and looks like they can’t easily get in to clear them in place.
A proper segregated bike lane along one whole side of the road was needed similar to the one along the grand canal.
I assume those bollards are for the new cycle lane that is currently being built along Griffith Avenue from the entrance to Charlemont to the Malahide Road.
You might have noticed that they are currently removing the curbing that juts out into the road in front of the schools, they are doing that to make space for the cycle lane. The plans are up on the DCC website if you are interested.
I believe the bollards are temporary and will be replaced by a concrete kerbing, as has been done on the rest of Griffith Avenue down towards the Swords Road and beyond (which BTW isn't complete yet either).
My understanding is that they put the bollards in first to see how the cycle lane is working, if it requires any adjustments, such as blocking entrances to peoples homes, etc. They are easy to move and change. Once they are satisfied with it, the replace it with the better looking permanent solution of concrete kerbing, planters, etc.
I will say, that while I'm happy they are putting a dedicated cycle lane in, I do think it is only an ok effort, I think they could have done a far better job of it, without too much extra effort.
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