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Avatar 2

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Cameron's absolute perfectionism strikes again

http://www.3news.co.nz/entertainment/james-cameron-ambitious-script-delays-second-avatar-film-2015011419#axzz3On4qWwZ6

The Associated Press (via Superhero Hype and 3 News) reports that James Cameron’s Avatar 2 has been delayed by a year from December 2016 to December 2017 to give the writers more time to work on the script. Cameron still plans to shoot Avatar 2-4 at the same time and release them a year apart.

He said: “There’s a layer of complexity in getting the story to work as a saga across three films that you don’t get when you’re making a stand-alone film. We’re writing three simultaneously. And we’ve done that so that everything tracks throughout the three films. We’re not just going to do one and then make up another one and another one after that and parallel with that, we’re doing all the design. So we’ve designed all the creatures and the environments. “We were probably a bit ambitious with [the film]. It took me six months to write the first and we’re writing three altogether.”

The films will star Sam Worthington, Zoe Saldana, Stephen Lang and Sigourney Weaver. They will be produced by Cameron and Jon Landau through Lightstorm Entertainment. Cameron is writing the sequels with Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver, Josh Friedman and Shane Salerno. The 2009 movie is the highest-grossing film of all time with $2.782 billion worldwide.

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pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907837#Comment_119907837

When you tot up those numbers ... yikes. 2 billion before money's made; Hollywood has gone truly insane. Of course, the other factor is films running for months & months, slowly accumulating, is relatively rare these days; the window to make these Megabucks has shortened IMO bar the occasional Top Gun Maverick

loyatemu

only a fool would bet against JC but that trailer looks super boring, even if the the 3D effects are amazing, we saw it all before in the first film.

johnny_ultimate

It's actually the Na'vi themselves I find hard to get over. In a film that looks like it has some of the most impeccable CG scenery and waterscapes, those lanky blue folk still stand out as rater cartoonish despite the obviously great care that has gone into crafting them.

As for the film's chances of success, well it does have every chance as it seems to be getting a saturation release. There's not a single film I'd personally class as a 'blockbuster' competitor released between December 1st and early to mid February. Plenty of great indie films and awards-season fare, of course, but Avatar is out there on its own grabbing the 'premium' multiplex screens for at least a month or two.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119910225#Comment_119910225

I wouldn't bet against Cameron; but I also wouldn't bet for him either. Precisely because this feels like a litmus test for his powers as they exist in modern blockbuster cinema. Time was he alone could define what blockbusters were by upping the ante, and his peerless craft; this has always looked like more of the same, now swamped by ... well, the MCU.

silverharp

I heard it needs to be the third highest grossing film to breakeven? You'd kind of hope they get a financial kicking.

TheIrishGrover

I don't know, I think this is going to make a metric tonne of money. I can see this making 2.5 Billion. If he does it right, he will have a whole new generation of audience. For all the spectacle, Titanic and Avatar had paper-thin and predictable "storylines" But Titanic especially appealed to the teenage audience given its romance plotline and DiCaprio, Winslett etc. It looks like they are going to lean into a bit of teenage romance. So potentially you could have a HUGE teenage audience, Kids who may not have gone to the cinema for years. Looking for something not on their phones.

I know I sounds like an old fart ('cos I am), but I think you could have a large amount of people looking for a big blockbuster that is NOT as Superhero movie. Another group of people who just want to see a James Cameron film on screen again. And potentially a large teenage audience (Pending decent work of mouth).

I think the animation looks amazing. Any "floatiness" I put down to different environment and the fact that they are not human. As opposed to some "uncanny valley" disconnect. The facial animations in the original are still amazing (The fact that the characters are not human does help and will help here).

So I'm not saying it will be a great movie. Avatar itself was not a great movie but it was certainly a spectacle and needed to be seen on the biggest screen you could find. There is no doubt it changed how movies are made: From convincing digital environments (Some of the internal shots do look a bit ropey) to Weta's amazing facial animation. Expanding on their awesome work with Golumn.

So, I think it will be a pretty paper-thin. Not so much "Dances With Aliens" that the first one was but more of a "Romeo and Bluey-ette" with some (well crafted) action sequences (Say what you want about Cameron, he knows how to construct a coherent action sequence). But I suspect it will be HUGELY popular.

I certainly hope so. If only to shake things up a bit and to introduce a new generation to James Cameron action "Hey, did you see that real old movie Terminator 2?"

youngblood

I really don't think a movie of this size is going to be mega blockbuster it would traditionally have been.

Interest in this film is at best, average.

The viewing audience has changed hugely over the last 10 years and the appetite for seeing movies on the big screen as a must-see event, has waned greatly.

I hope it succeeds on story telling/animation front.

santana75

Went to book tickets there and noticed the run time: 3hrs 13mins!!!

youngblood

It's been given a China release which is something many Hollywood Blockbusters have failed to do over the last 2 years.

However with enforced Covid lock downs in China, it may not prove to be the boost a China release would traditionally bring to a movie of this size

Josey Wales

Is there a list of what cinemas are showing this in HFR 3D?

Movies@Dundrum are showing it in that format but I don't see anything on Cineworld or Odeon websites.

Big Gerry

Is Avatar 2 going to be in 3D ?

speedboatchase

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119949070#Comment_119949070

Yep

peteeeed

reviews are starting to come out

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/dec/07/silly-soggy-or-screamingly-good-first-responses-to-avatar-the-way-of-water-emerge

Theboinkmaster

absolutely no interest in this film.

silverharp

The summary I saw was, looks great, thinner plot than the first, drags in the middle, 3rd Act is great

youngblood

These are gonna be the most divisive yet I feel!

MisterAnarchy

3 hours 13 minutes is ludicrous .

No need for any film to be that length especially something like this, its not plot heavy.

Big Gerry

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119967899#Comment_119967899

Cameron thinks 3D is on a par with Colour in the advancement of film technology.

But I'd say 3D is more comparable to surround sound.

In some films 3D and surround sound can totally immersive you in the environment but in other films they are just not needed at all like in a court room drama.

Big Gerry

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119969369#Comment_119969369

I have never watched a film over 2 and a half hours that I liked.

I think 2 and a half hours is the max length any film should be before you start to get bored.

Josey Wales

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119982145#Comment_119982145

Depends on the person. For me, if the film is good enough, it doesn't matter how long it is. Films like Lawrence of Arabia, Godfather 2, LoTRs, The Wolf of Wall Street - all long, excellent films.

Big Gerry

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119982398#Comment_119982398

The Dark Knight Rises felt like a very long film to me even though it was only about 15mins longer than the Dark Knight which is a film I absolutely loved.

Another thing I noticed about long films is that many of them could easily be trimmed down by 30 mins without having any impact on the story.

The last James Bond film is a good example of a film that is way too long.

Can anyone really justify the long running time of No Time To Die ?

KilOit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119982145#Comment_119982145

Must have watched schindler's list about 6 times over the years, not once did it feel long. clocks in over 3 hours

NIMAN

I have never before seen a trailer for a film and thought I DEFINITELY don't ever want to see that.

silliussoddius

Chris Stuckman review is out, as expected great visuals with clunky story line.

peteeeed

wowee empire giving it 5 out of 5

https://www.empireonline.com/movies/reviews/avatar-the-way-of-water/

pretty sure they hosted james cameron for the london premier last week

FunLover18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119992716#Comment_119992716

They gave the first one 5 too

peteeeed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119992738#Comment_119992738

and the last jedi :)

Mr Crispy

In other words, they know good **** when they see it....

🙃

Sad Professor

Cameron says that The Abyss is coming to 4k Blu-ray by March 2023 at the latest. lol, nice try Jimbo! As anyone who has been following The Abyss Blu-ray saga knows, he has been claiming stuff like this for years. There's multiple articles going back to 2016 at least in which he said he was working on it now and it would be out in a few months.

https://thedigitalbits.com/columns/my-two-cents/121022-1900

peteeeed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119992818#Comment_119992818

the thing is i remember going to see avatar imax 3D and thinking wow this is a 5 star movie and then i saw it on tv and was .....ah ok