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Not sure of your history lesson on that at all. I wasn't living here at the time, but from my dealings back here at the time I think FF had stopped council ( social) builds during the boom around the mid noughties.
Hard to expect the next govt of FG/lab to restart that after the crash with the economy the way it was.
Build costs are astronomical now because of inflation and energy supply constrictions in the planning legislations.
Green economy isn't cheap even without the consideration of fuel inflation.
Roisin Shorthall is absolutely hammering Barry Cowen on the Tonight show re mental health and dental care for children. She destroyed his spoof. He ended up trying to blame Covid.
Housing for All promised 4,100 Affordable Purchase and Cost Rental homes in 2022.
By October 25th only 373 Affordable Purchase and 475 Cost Rental homes were advertised – not all of these have been completed yet.
‘Housing for All’ promised 9,000 new build social homes in 2022.
The latest data shows that only 1,765 were actually delivered in the first half of the year.
Clowns
Covid, Monkey pox some other excuse not relating to being in office since 2011 or what ever it is.
Fine Geals answer to the accomadation shortage
The Ard Fheis will also consider a motion asking that all college education be ‘blended’ with half of students off-campus at any given time, in an effort to reduce the demand for student accommodation.
Good,that their back calling it an ard fheis and not an national conference.....I take it,one Jeffery Donaldson won't be making a speech this year🤔
Spot on. Cant wait to see their next brilliant ideas.
Have to admire the duplicity of a man,whom can praise Micheal Martin/FF,while taking broad swipes at same party inside a minute
A blueshirt out and out,who longer geos on,more and more resembles Liam Cosgrove in both rethoric and practice.
What about all the years before that
And in another month, he will be Taoiseach, the bile and bitterness on these pages will deepen dramatically.
I thought the tribute he paid to Martin was well-said. Martin does come across as a decent man, he doesn't have the undercurrent of nastiness that most of the opposition have and the country survived the pandemic very well under his leadership.
A "meaningful Christmas" is how he will be remembered re Covid.
The country survived the pandemic - interesting choice of words given the death rate for Covid is less than 1%. The government did SFA except confuse everyone with their BS and eventually delegate complete responsibility to NPHET. Leo tried to undermine Martin and NPHET.
I myself am looking forward to the Leo years. More chaos and nonsense "plans" that fail almost immediately I expect.
Such nonsense.
Look at cumulative excess deaths for Ireland and our nearest neighbours - UK, France, Belgium and Netherlands - and you find that Ireland performed least worst. That is the most relevant comparison and it takes in the full effect of the pandemic and not just deaths directly attributable to Covid, but also any deaths from the knock-on on the health service in other areas. Also because of regional leakage, i.e. most travellers will come from your nearest neighbours. That is all thanks to the government decisions.
You can talk about your alternative reality, but that is all it is.
I will give all the credit to NPHET, medical professionals, frontline healthcare workers and the general public. The cabinet deserve very little credit if any and were essentially sidelined after their many initial mistakes. FFG gave us a shoddy health service with little capacity to begin with - it's why we had to lockdown much more than other EU countries.
Here is an alternate reality 2 months before Covid hit.
November 2019
2019 breaks record for most patients on trolleys – and it’s not even December (inmo.ie)
2019 has seen the highest number of patients on trolleys in any year since records began – despite it still being November.
“Winter has only just begun and the record is already broken. These statistics are the hallmark of a wildly bureaucratic health service, which is failing staff and patients alike.
“We take no pleasure in having to record these figures for a decade and a half. We know the problem, but we also know the solutions: extra beds in hospitals, safe staffing levels, and more step-down and community care outside of the hospital.
“No other developed country faces anything close to this trolley problem. It can be solved, but a strong political agenda to drive change is needed.
“The INMO has written to the health and safety authorities this week to try force a change from the employers. Hospitals should be a place of safety and care – not danger.”
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That's how well we were prepared for Covid thanks to successive FFG governments. Own it. Report that.
There is no such thing as an alternate reality when there are facts and truth and figures.
Here is another comparison with island nations like New Zealand, Philippines, Iceland, Singapore, Malta and Cyprus.
Ireland was second least worst, with only New Zealand doing better, and the price their citizens had to pay for those marginal gains was huge.
Alternate realities and alternate facts are the playthings of Brexiteers and Trump/Putin loyalists.
The figures don't lie, and while NPHET mostly gave good advice, the decisions were the government's to make. Can you imagine the likes of Eoin O'Broin in government firing NPHET because he didn't like their advice? I can, and if you want to give NPHET and the HSE all the credit, think of that before you go any further.
My point absolutely stands even though you ignored the INMO facts. The government went off NPHET guidelines once and we all paid the price. They weren't allowed do so again. Time will tell the impact of all the capacity issues and lockdowns on cancer diagnosis and treatments.
The public will be wise to your rewriting history too.
INMO and facts shouldn't be in the same sentence.
Edit: Rewriting history? All I am doing is presenting the facts about excess deaths.
Ah yes, dismiss the nurses. Very good.
You can dress it up whatever way yous want majority of COVID deaths in my area were in the 3 to 4 weeks after the "meaningful Xmas",they ended up needing to hire a 2nd freezer lorry to work as a temp morgue.....for context the first COVID jabs were administered the days when it all opened up here.....still not convinced this "meaningful Xmas" was worth it🤷
But he's decent seemingly,who's policies on COVID killed more than the entirety of the troubles from all sides,but will be hand-waved away by extremist right wing views
No, I don't dismiss the nurses, I dismiss their representative union. Different thing.
That is some stretch of credibility.
It's the truth,we know what likes of him and what they stands for are about
Really looking forward to seeing the make-up of the new Cabinet, which position Martin gets, and Varadkar back as Taoiseach.
Whatever keeps you going I guess🙂
Then you are in a deeply weird and massive outlier of an area.
My area was number 1 in world for infections at the time,from the infamous "UK varient"
It happened just at time when 1st vaccines were being given out,and closed out any vaccine hesitancy in my area among anyone I known.....that pox killed in massive numbers here (and across the world) before the vaccine come about
But it's ok,because those whom overseen it,are labeled as 'decent' by the media while laughing at us
Quite a lot of places have been number 1 in the world at times. Ireland has also had the lowest rate in Europe at multiple times. Almost like it comes in relatively uncontrollable waves. However, if your area had the majority of deaths in that period it would still be highly, highly unusual.
NPHET are an advisory body who seem to have done a relatively good job. But they do not have to worry about balancing an awful lot of things that the government do and are not accountable to the people and for those reasons it is the government that makes the decisions.
Overall, Ireland did absolutely fine with its COVID response. Could have done better of course, but its pretty easily in the upper tier of responses to what was a massively complicated situation. I don't think its an avenue of attack that will gain that much traction.
So if it was uncontrollable waves what was the point of the lockdowns. Mask also gone for ages They were mandatory did nothing. The vaccines did all the work.
COVID infection rates were ramping up from mid December,but we still pressed ahead with this "meaningful Xmas".......I'm just not convinced 2000 or so deaths nationwide in the weeks post it,was worth it,nor those that persued this policy in time of worsening infection rates,are worthy of being described as 'decent' or to be admired for leadership ability
I suspect there will be long and hard discussions for years to come over the point of the lockdowns. The earlier ones are hard to disagree with, the question of how long they should have continued will be debated for a long time. There are already indications that children have paid a hefty price for school closures. These kind of trade offs are exactly what politician's are there to decide though and who bear the ultimate responsibility.
Ah lad,the masks clearly worked to slow spread....the fact they aren't bothering with em anymore,is just horrendous poor leadership on behalf of government.....we effectively wiped out influenza for one winter FFS with em,the notion masks didn't slow it down is head-in-sand stuff
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