Yous will be guaranteed 100s of thousands of deaths without peace talks.....would seem reason enough to me for peace talks
Russia will likely use this winter to fortify it's positions, potentially openly move nuclear weapons into location in crimea to underpin it's positions there
Likely implemnt an air defence system into the occupied territories,develop signal jammers for low flying drones to end their effectiveness (in theory this is relatively easy with some suggestion they & Ukraine are having success at).....I just think it's fanciful the above can removed by military force,without a massive Deployment by NATO/America neither of which I can envisage willing to lose 70 - 100K troops and plunge their economies into deep depression
Whereas unpalatable peace talks to allow a full military withdrawal with an international financial package to rebuild Ukraine,seems the most viable option....unless one side or other is willing to rachet up the pressure and deploy weak nuclear weapons as a warning shot....but given yanks wouldn't let Ukraine have substantial numbers of missiles capable of striking russian cities,I can't see em handing em a nuclear weapon🤔
What a post👏👏
You actually think Putin will agree to your peace plan???
(a) Which general public are switihing off and just want it finished?
(b) Why should the outcome of the war be decided by people with short attention spans?
Putin is an expert at normalizing atrocities, we're at that point, it's war crime after war crime, day after day, and the world has been conditioned not to care.
Ireland should not facilitate nor have any input on this proxy shambles. One as bad as the other. Nothing to do with this island. It is ruined this country sadly
Most people are bored with ukraine now, the interest is in the cost of living which russia is hoping will work. I don't support russia but ukraine has to compromise, they are not nato member and the West is only supporting ukraine for its own Interests, if it was located further east they couldn't care less. Nato will want a settlement and they provide the weapons so it will happen.Ukraine will get their territory back eventually but not in the near future that is just reality. Russia as a country will fail due to its size and diminishing population but not yet.
Ukraine and zelensky are as corrupt as the kremlin
Were hosting the largest russian embassy outside the USA. What do you think they are here for ?
I'm sure we have a link. Probably not as it takes 100 posts.
Briefly, (unlike my last post, where I went into detail)
(1) Russia is not to be trusted...ever.
(2) as I mentioned earlier, Russia speaking about peace talks, is a scam. They are feeling the pressure, at every level. Getting weapons from Iran, N Korea, etc, Recruiting men from Syria, Africa, Afghanistan ( ?? ) prisons.etc. Scraping the bottom of a very deep barrel. This winter is Putins last shot, and he knows it. All your thought's about what Putin will do during the winter....maybe he will, but I cannot see it. The hi-tec equipment you mention considering he is having to cannibalize his aircraft to keep them in the air, tanks which saw service in ww2...and the list goes on. Cracks are starting to appear in Putins Russia, cracks which do not bode well for Vladimir. Zelensky is not Putins only worry now, he has ones closer to home. A rapidly developing unhappy home population is another one.
(3) Ukraine has no manpower shortages, on the contrary, they as many as they will need to get the job done, Even if that figure is a million, they have the Nrs. They have the weapons suppliers, and the quantities and quality, with more and more even higher tec weapons on the way. Plus, the logistics to put the whole package together. And they are being financed to a high level. Most important, morale, they are fighting for their families and Country. There is no stronger incentive
(4) Why would the west give Zelensky nuclear weapons? Why would they need too? Putin is the only one talking about nuclear weapons, and even his friend (supposedly) China, has told him to turn down the rhetoric. The west has more than enough conventional weapons to sort out Putin, and very quickly at that.
lol Ukraine would last 2 day. New russian territory taken within weeks.
Eeehh,,,, NO! Only in Putin's corrupt mind. Time for someone to put down the vodka bottle and go to bed. Actually there are a few here tonight that seem to be vodka posting.
If you want to be brief point one covers it all (but needs capitalization and an exclamation mark)
Bottles I wager 😂
Nah, they're only fit for naggins 😁
Hats off that made me laugh. Probably hazzar or what ever it was called back in the day.
Edit googled huzzar lol I remember that drain cleaner.
Hard to bate the auld Russian Standard wodka......for a headache to remember !!!😎
Just stop posting this nonsense.
Fighting an insurgency for 8 years? An "insurgency" only made viable by Russia. Without Russia intervention the "insurgency" would have collapsed within weeks. The irony is that Russian intervention achieved very little, hence this current war, BECAUSE Ukraine was united against it.
Russia pounding civilian targets, cities, will not win them the war. That's been proven time and time again in history. Countless countries have been hit far, FAR, harder and failed to break in historical conflicts, what Ukraine is suffering is horrendous, but nowhere near breaking point. Russia is doing this because it's floundered on the actual battlefield and continues to do so, and is resorting to Nazi Germany terror tactics.
It didn't work then, it won't ultimately work now.
Who would have thought it. A modern Ukrainian army trained by the west, trouncing the antiquated Russian army with a fraction of the annual budget. How embarrassing.
The point about strikebacks on Russia soil is irrelevant. It doesn't matter. Russia is the aggressor, Russia is the one that needs to feed a war machine that's not officially at war, fighting against an entire nation, and frankly, proven to not be capable of waging a real war after losing their opening gamble.
I don't know what your obsession is with these mythical Russian defenses. Smacks of Hitler ranting about the impenetrable Atlantic Wall. We had posters here claiming that Ukraine could never take Kherson because of the topography. Sorry to rain on your parade but the Russian army is a rotten, corrupt disaster and it's being exposed by an army minuscule in size with very limited western support.
And now Ukraine needs nuclear weapons to break the deadlock in your imaginary campaign? Ukraine should surrender because of the danger of civil war, despite the fact there's absolutely zero fracture within Ukraine, because the entire country is united against Russia? Seems impartial.
Finally, Belarus. Ukraine should surrender because your vague, erotic, far-flung fantasy of civil war in Ukraine, might affect the dictatorship in Belarus, thus causing a refugee crisis.
Seriously, put down the crack pipe.
Personal insults and jibes asides,(quite what yous hope to achieve accusing others of smoking crack is beyond me🤷)you have failed to address any actual points?
Just posted some dogma about Russia being an out of date army & corrupt,which they may well be 🤷,but one that rains bombs down on Ukraine infrastructure and is crippling it's economy.....and have dismissed quite clear issues about a likely build up of russian defences on ground as irrelevant??
When it would seem to me,the obvious issue that will happen,while society there collapsed and attacks each other and fractures develop.....the notion that peace talks are unnecessary & this war isn't going to cost 100s of thousands of lives next year is pure head in the sand stuff,
25% of Ukraine's population either dead or fled,while another 25% internally displaced....and lads cheering on an even worse blood bath next year,and dismissing out of hand the potential for this to be multiples worse seemingly based entirely on dogma and rethoric...unless Ukraine has the ability to strike back at Russia internally,or gets a massive deployment international troops to turn the tide,this war could drag on for years on end....while seemingly anyone suggesting peace talks is to be accused/insinuated of smoking class A drugs🤔
A positive show of strength 5 NATO carrier groups and escorts patrolling the waters around Europe.
The Gerald R Ford is the newest US carrier.
Unity against 1 brutal and thankfully weakened enemy.
I live in an area where many Russians have arrived for holidays they are cold creatures its in their eyes.
Ukrainian man power without the weapons means nothing. They will have to compromise for now. The west just wants the war over and doesn't t really care if Russia holds on to the east of Ukraine. Its amazing how important air defence has become, it almost neutralise a large air force
The full banned list is in. I'm shocked that Wallace and Daly are not on it. 🤣
Fianna Fáil (33)
Taoiseach Micheál Martin
Minister for European Affairs Thomas Byrne
Jackie Cahill TD
Barry Cowen TD
Cathal Crowe TD
Cormac Devlin TD
Joe Flaherty TD
Seán Haughey TD
John Lahart TD
James Lawless TD
Paul McAuliffe TD
John McGuinness TD
Michael Moynihan TD
Jennifer Murnane O’Connor TD
Jim O’Callaghan TD
Willie O’Dea TD
Christopher O’Sullivan TD
Pádraig O’Sullivan TD
Niamh Smyth TD
Billy Kelleher MEP
Senator Niall Blaney
Senator Lisa Chambers
Senator Lorraine Clifford-Lee
Senator Ollie Crowe
Senator Paul Daly
Senator Timmy Dooley
Senator Robbie Gallagher
Senator Gerry Horkan
Senator Erin McGreehan
Senator Denis O’Donovan
Senator Fiona O’Loughlin
Senator Ned O’Sullivan
Senator Diarmuid Wilson
Fine Gael (16)
Tánaiste Leo Varadkar
Minister for Foreign Affairs Simon Coveney
Minister for Justice Helen McEntee
Minister for Finance Paschal Donohoe
Richard Bruton TD
Ciarán Cannon TD
Joe Carey TD
Jennifer Carroll MacNeill TD
Alan Dillon TD
Alan Farrell TD
Charlie Flanagan TD
Brendan Griffin TD
Joe McHugh TD
John Paul Phelan TD
Neale Richmond TD
Michael Ring TD
Labour leader Ivana Bacik TD
Independent Senator Gerard Craughwell
Sean Ó Fearghaíl Ceann Comhairle
Not as much as the Kremlin but close ... 122th vs 136 in the corruption index
To corrupt to join the EU in the past
Repeating the same nonsense does not make it true. Why would Ukraine compromise? The tide has turned against Russia and the West continues to back Ukraine.
How many of these politicians were intending go to to Russia in the near future, none I would suggest. Funny daly and Wallace not on the list alright
I don't normally say this,but bloody hell, the Putin bots are out in force here the last couple of pages...claims so ridiculous they don't even bear engaging with...
“I don't support russia but…”
Lads, ye are posting on an Irish forum, that’s low level stuff for flunkies… ye’ll surely be first on the list for repatriation when Russia’s embassy gets downsized… Hope ye didn’t get too acclimatised to a ‘decadent pig dog’ Western lifestyle.
As for Russophile’s in Ukrainian Oblasts that welcomed Russian advances - I’d say they are sorely ruing that support now they’ve had a taste of ‘Russian Love’ - often forcibly.
Anyone thinking Ukraine should look for peace with the animals from Russia are clueless. Will tens of thousands more Ukrainians die to preserve Ukraine from Russian tyranny… yes, that’s the price Ukraine knows it has to pay… simply because the alternative is clearly worse. Under Russia’s “protection” much worse would befall them. Anyone like to counter that argument, thinking Russia would be benevolent masters… anyone?
Funny how you speak for the west, when were you appointed?
Yes Ireland is now in ruins because of Russia invading Ukraine.
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What are you on about you absolute space cadet?
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