I have been musing. My easiest explanation is the interception AA never detonated actually hit the target and they both changed course and crashed if that is the case of 2. The other explanation is 2 s300 ground attack from russians just flying same course 1 detonated other did not hence the not huge hole.
I know this is off topic but is that a sandworm from dune 2000 ? Your bio pic.
yup
wrong coordinates
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1592740843718606849
Russia will always try to test NATO/western unity and it has shown it can be patchy.
If there was a war in Europe it might target countries differently to fracture its unity also.
The crater is a cruise missile type similar to others shown throughout this special op
US and NATO know everything about what is in the air and its origin though its listening stations in Europe.
They will not give this info because its used to detect nukes.
Article 4 best second prize is more weapons for Ukraine while they still have the fight in them.
The 100 missiles sent behind any front line is a clear war crime commited by a nuke armed untouchable terrorist state
And from NATO/Ukraine too.... sigh.
NATO will have chatted with them and advised if this happens again Poland is off the lead.
I know it's a tribute video but shows there not drunk like the lads they will be fighting.
I am aware of that, but given the distance argument being used to ascribe the Polish fragment to Ukraine, that one downed north of Kyiv could no more have been Russian than the other.
Since I think it unlikely that the intact one is a Ukrainian S-300 missile shot down by Ukraine, then it's likely Russian, in which case the similarity in nozzle components leads me to think perhaps Ukraine should be allowed to inspect the debris.
It's as if you were accused of being in a traffic accident with someone and they ask you to pay for the accident you don't recall having and so you ask to see the photos of the accident scene they say they took that shows your car, and they say no, along with not letting you see the damage to their car or the repair quotes.
Maybe I'm strange, but I'd want a bit more than that before accepting responsibility and coughing up.
A bit odd of them to seemingly target a major interconnector between them and Poland on the same day they are desperately trying to restore power to over 10 million people. I can think of someone else who might like to take out that interconnector on the same day they are trying to take down Ukraines electricity grid.
I just saw a very convincing theory.
Missile coordinates of targets were sent by Russia to the missile teams. Somewhere along the line of communications the coordinates of 2 targets, one in Lviv and another in Kyiv were mixed up (lat from one and long from the other).
If you do this you get the position of the small polish farm.
I tried this and it does seem correct, seems a big coincidence !
Edit: Just followed the twitter link above and see that this information was already posted - apologies.
Not enough damage to the vehicle?
ABSOLUTLY 100% out of the question. WHY? Because a site examination and loads of information from the ‘ eyes in the sky’ would tell us cohere it came from , it’s trajectory and physical info from the attacked site of the missile used.
What part of Ukr? . The occupied or unoccupied part. Or maybe produce a map as some parts of The Ukr landscape - claim wise is changing by the day
Anyone out there who thinks that Putin when on his Special Mission in Ukr to stop it from joining NATO and for nothing else , then I suggest you read the first 140 odd pages of ‘Putin’s People’. If the book is to be believed then Russia has , for a long, long time, been trying to destabilise every country it can in the western /democratic world at every opportunity and the KGB/its replacement - and I assume their embassies are in the thick of it.
so the pro Ukr countries should close their Ru embassies - put some other arrangement in place if required- because they are the basis for seeing what’s going on on the ground and ‘act’ accordingly
we, in Ireland, can begin the process by Mi. Martin having ‘ good’ news for the Ru ambassador today
Do try to keep up, you forgot two obligatory adjectives as demanded by the Ministry of Truth. Its gay, jewish, nazi, satanists.
How do you stop Russia/ Putin continuing ‘to make trouble in the world’. CLOSE DOWN their embassies for starters - now that the IRON CURTAIN , to all intents and purposes, is in place
Yea, and I assume that you would agree that Ru just, just,just, just about edges it with regards to the indiscriminate use of missiles. I think that Ru had to rely on its last barrage of projectiles throughout Ukr to achieve that edge!!!!
Head of Pentagon also come out today and said despite its successes Ukraine is a long way from outright military victory and taking back Crimea. Hard as it is to stomach, I am certain this war will end in a messy, uneasy negotiated settlement and the fantasies some still have of pre 2014-borders and outright defeat for the Russian criminals is just not going to happen unless there is a total collapse of the Russian regime, with no prospect of that in sight.
The Korea comparison is probably therefore quite legitimate.
would the oligarchs not have someone chill put it in to appease the west so they can get their cash back and live their lives of luxury around the globe peacefully ?
I think that you are correct.
And the gross underestimation of Ukraine continues.
You'd think certain people would have learned by now.
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This crap again lol
If this is infact the case, then why are NATO definitively saying its a Ukrainian AA missile?
Are NATO bottling it and too afraid to hold Russia accountable?
Then it must be a Ukrainian AA missile, as NATO have stated.
Along 23° 55′ 19″ E in Lviv you find an airport.
Along 50° 28′ 28″ N in Kyiv you find an airport.
The polish farm is at 50° 28′ 28″ N, 23° 55′ 19″ E
The mixed coordinates theory looks credible.
You could still argue that Ukraine is getting just enough weapons to wear down Russia without delivering outright defeat. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's a perspective that remains open to debate, I can see both sides, and Zelensky himself made the very same point at the time (if you need a link, let me know).
As for incorrect predictions, you yourself are king of them and I'd only have to go back 7 days, not 7 months to find examples.
But if it was credible, NATO would gladly use it. It would be a gift to them, Poland and Ukraine. It would both gets Ukraine off the hook and makes Russia look incompetent but not deliberately attacking a NATO ally (which means they wouldn't have to invoke Article 5, but would be able to justify some further actions). It would be the absolutely perfect outcome for NATO, Poland and Ukraine.
And yet they're not claiming it. In fact, they're saying it's a Ukrainian missile, which is possibly the worst outcome for all involved.
Mystical meg's haven't predicted anything that has come remotely true .
Another round of support and supplies for winter coming from yesterday's meeting in Rammstein airbase .
So much for losing support
Ukraine are not on any hook.
They are blameless. Reiterated by Poland, NATO, USA and everyone else.
Although the UK appear not to have announced a formal decision on what happened, or even mild speculation. AFAIK.
They is no logical explanation that I can think of why Zelenskyy would double down on it.
The coordinates thing is freaky, but I imagine just one of those things.
Explosions were reported in Belgorod
Belgorod must be in bits
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