Its a worse one for the Russians, who are the cause of it all, no one is fooled by Putins propaganda machine.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was a Russian cruise missile that was hit in Ukraine but wasn't destroyed and crashed in Poland
If not Ukrainian then maybe accident by Russia. Just easier to blame Ukraine. Can’t imagine Zelensky is lying.
Both sides use S-300s.
@[Deleted User] "We are not directly in this war and we will not be and we shouldn't be. It is their fight, not ours"
Why not? When it comes to crime, barbarity, mass murder and an illegal war, every civilized person has the right to be involved. If you are walking on the street and see a crime against someone and you have the means to prevent, it you don't say 'Your problem mate' and walk on.
Times radio reporting that Putin has this evening requested direct 1 on 1 talks with Zelensky. Pretty obvious timing. Trying to fragment the alliance while everyone’s caught up in a debate about where the rockets came from.
Send all the leftie politicians over from Ireland!
Of course, he could have claimed to the Russians that he only told Ukrainians after he was captured that he wanted to fight on their side, in order to survive, but it was all for show, and he volunteered for prisoner exchange because he wanted to return to Russia as soon as he could. Now that's possible too, but to me it all stinks to high heaven.
Yep, send the pair of them and we could also throw in Paul Murphy as well. He was making a complete fool of himself again on the radio yesterday. Give them one way tickets.
Heroes.
US Secretary of Defense: Fighting in the winter gives Ukraine an advantage over Russia
Interesting that the "Russia is fighting NATO in Ukraine" baloney is coming under the microscope at last on Solovyov's show :
Deafintally sniffs of ah look lads was only a field with 2 farmers lets leave it at that with this one
Now im glad they are but something more to it
I still cannot understand why Ireland is doing nothing about reducing the level of Ru embassy staff staff down to max five ie ambassador, secretary ,cook gateman and a driver or better still downto. Zero. Now is an opportune time since the total Irish government ispersona non grata
By invading Ukr in case it was EVEN THINKING of about EVEN CONSIDERING joining NATO and the total devastation he has caused multiplied by TEN . He -PUTIN - has given to Ukr and the democratic world at least the VERY REASON why The Ukr should be allowed join NATO at the first opportunity. NATO should review its rules re membership to see if it can be easier for a country to join it.
God only knows what Putin would do or his replacement if Ukr was within weeks of becoming a member of NATO.
Ukr joining NATO or the EU should be off the table in any peace negotiations.
A peace talks condition connected to the above should be that Russia will do nothing to impede Ukr from joining NATO or the EU
Well if they're not and we need to send an urgent message or delegation in person to Russia, they might find they are the only 2 Irish politicians left that can take on such an important task....on behave of the Irish people they represent, whom I'm sure will give them their "best" wishes and a lovely send off.....
Zelensky is doubling down on it wasn't a Ukrainan missle or missles
There is definitely more to this,I reckon their has been a deliberate down play of what happened and what exactly hit Poland.
I hope it was fired by Ukraine because otherwise Putin now knows exactly what the NATO crowd will do if he decides to send some missiles into other countries …. SFA.
the swift declaration that it wasn’t Russia by Biden makes me very sceptical TBH.
Anyone know if mick wallace and clare daly were on the list of Irish politicians sanctioned by ruSSia? .................... Asking for a friend like.........
I have seen reports there were remnants of two different types of missile found - but take that with the boatload of salt it ddeserves until the truth comes out.
Either way, if mordor weren't firing their orc missiles at Ukraine, there would be no need for Ukraine to launch self defense missiles.
NATO already know what happened, they had AWACS aircraft up and there's a new NATO/Polish radar not far away that can see 500km.
Who is to say that it was shot down by a polish plane. Why not by an Ukrplane or Ukr fired misslle. Even though there might be a polish planefound nearby could it not be a polish plane that has been there for a few years on the ground when it crash landed having run out of fuel. A thousand reasons can be given for the downing of a Ru military asset
IF those quotes are true.
There would be no logical reason for him to double down, particularly when the Polish are pushing the narrative they could have deliberately been goaded into shooting down a Russian missile so close to the border to create this such event. There is zero, absolute no blame being attributed to Ukraine in this.
Either this reaction is being orchestrated in concert or Zelenskyy is getting erroneous intel or he is spot on.
Curiouser and Curiouser.
well being a traitor has its downsides.
This seems to be the main missile fragment that is being used to attribute the missile crash in Poland to a Ukrainian S-300. I have yet to see any photo showing this in context to the crash site, and why the hell is this photo sourced from an Israeli journalist? That alone seems very off.
Now this is said to be from an Orc missile shot down in Ukraine yesterday:
That fragment supposedly belonging to the rocket nozel of a Ukrainian S-300 looks to me not unlike the intact rocket nozel of an Orc missile downed yesterday in Ukraine.
🥊 Wreckage of another missile shot down yesterday was found in a forest area in Kyiv region
The wreckage was found in the north of the region. There were no destructions or injuries as a result of the rocket fall, police said.
K.M 🇺🇦 | NEWS
Now with the Polish president appearing to not wanting to let Ukrainian experts have access to the crash site and phoning Washington as if to say, 'what do I do now?', the whole thing seems to be rather odd.
The s300 missiles, when used as air defence are set to self destruct if they miss their target. So if it's tracking a target and the target is already intercepted etc... The missile will blow itself up. Which is why it's strange there's such a large crater in the ground in Poland.
If they are configured to launch in air to ground mode, that self destruct option is disabled so the 100-200kg warhead will detonate upon impact.
and how did it make such a 180 turn
That wouldn't be without precedent.
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I read she's been detained for irregularities with official funds.
All air defense systems are radar guided , while the actual missle might not have a radar they are guided by a ground based radar
Gubarev's missus also apparently missing.
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