“Hitting NATO territory with missiles. … This is a Russian missile attack on collective security! This is a really significant escalation. Action is needed,” Zelensky said in a video address Tuesday.
Okay he doesn't specifically say 'deliberate' or 'intentional', assuming the translation is accurate, but that's surely implied by 'a really significant escalation'.
So he didn't say deliberate as you claimed.
Glad we cleared that up so. It's important. 👍️
All this WW3 chatter is completely overstating the situation. Russia is on it's own as regards military action here, it has the tacit support of Belarus and the practical support of Iran but neither are exactly going to join in to defend Russia. What's at stake here is Europe and friends standing up to a single rogue terrorist state. Does anyone seriously think China or India or whoever is lining up to join the defence of Russia? It's a serious situation given the rogue nature of the current Russia administration but not WW3.
Meanwhile China fires a shot across Russia's bow:
It appears he accidentally drove his car into some bullets.
I wouldn't worry too much about it. Anything some people don't agree with in here is often labelled as this, along with questions about post count or account tenure. Every thread on this site has their dwellers who become territorial, this one has a few.
The irony of a guy called McCarthy being a defacto aid to Russia is just another quirk of the current mess that is American politics.
@lizzyjane take a break from the CA forum for posting while threadbanned
Post in this thread again once your ban is up and it will be reinstated permanently
It looks like Zelensky received bad intel from either his own security people or from contacts in NATO. If there had been serious question marks hanging over the origin of the missile, he probably would have been a lot more guarded in his comments.
I'm way behind so this point may already have been made. Anyone with a pro Russian bent (not saying woody22 has/hasn't) thinking this will make NATO more cautious of supporting Ukraine are woefully misinformed. NATO might be saying, shur, it's all grand, no need for Article 4... but, don't forget Poland has had an airstrike against it and two citizens killed because of Russia's war (don't for a second think anyone sane blames anyone but Russia) and they will need appeasing to be kept in line. That appeasing will be guarantees for further support for Ukraine.
If nothing else, that pair of Poles who died were incredibly unlucky. Judging by the pictures of the area (and the aerial photo below) that place looks really rural.
If you randomly landed a missile anywhere in that general area you'd end up in a field, or even a shed, most of the time.
My take on it is that this has fired a shot across the bows of the Russians. If NATO was that agitated about a missile landing in rural Poland and killing two people, one can imagine what the reaction would be if Russia caused a much more serious incident or detonated a small tactical nuclear weapon.
Unless the missile went for the tractor erroneously
Don't kid yourself. Polish Rage (and there will be plenty) will be entirely focused on RuSSia.
P.S. How do dead people take comfort?
I dont know where I appeased Russia. But if it makes you happy to think I am somehow pro-Russian, sure, go ahead and run with that narrative in your head.
It is notable how cautious politicians have been today, and even if this had been an accidental Russian strike, I very much doubt anything would have changed. We will continue to supply arms, training and logistical support. Maybe air defences will be beefed up, but I suspect that the americans will remain cautious with the nature of what they are supplying. We are not directly in this war and we will not be and we shouldnt be. It is their fight, not ours
Russia is having a sex change? I thought 'Mother Russia' was the favoured term.
Doesn't appeal to Slavic misogyny
Re read what I actually wrote.
I do know you have always had trouble understanding the issue with armies defending their populations Francis and defining them as collateral damage in conflicts. Be assured Ukraine and Poland will decide how to defend their own countries.
That was only used to avoid confusion with Nazi Germany. Now that there's only one Nazi country in the world, it's safe to use 'Fatherland'.
Actually Russia have repeatedly fucked up and hit their own territory. It has happened numerous times in Belograd. Their anti air crews their could aptly be renamed the Boomerang squad.
Possible but I guess we have to take what the Poles are saying at face value for now.
He registered yesterday not this month. Pretty much exactly at the time word of the deaths in Poland.
More banksy's?
It's so obvious the FSB are messing up using brand new registrations to get their message out. They need to buy an existing, well respected profile like mine. Going cheap...
Now why would the president of Poland feel he first has to discuss with Washington, Ukraine's request to have access to the missile crash site? Seems a bit odd.
I really am struggling to understand why you were required to answer such a stupid question Gatling.
8 months into an invasion and someone asks who are the Ukrainians protecting themselves from. As someone earlier said "dribbling scutter onto a keyboard".
Given they can have trouble getting radar lock on drones because they are too slow moving, I think a radar guided missile locking on to a tractor on the ground is a bit of a stretch
The US 101st Airborne are forward deployed in that region of Poland, securing the border with other NATO units. He probably wants to make sure nobody else gets killed inadvertently.
Besides the US are the ones with all the signal and satellite intelligence on this stuff, they are NATOs lead force and always have been.
ERM... thanks for the PM, but was only joking, but even if I wasn't I wouldn't have accepted 60m Ruble... Jeeze!
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