Are you sure you can make submissions on railway orders? I think the time for submissions was during the consultation phase. We’ve now moved onto the planning permission phase. The ship has sailed.
Of course you can make submissions to ABP on any planning applications, including railway orders - it costs EUR 50 to do so, but it’s a basic democratic right.
The notice below has information on how to make submissions.
https://www.dartplus.ie/S3mvc/media/DART-West-Railway-Order/DartWest-notice-Irish-Independent-25th-July-22.pdf
The case file reference is NA29S.314232 which you can see: https://www.pleanala.ie/en-ie/case/314232
Cost is €50. Deadline is 5:30pm on 30th September.
You can submit your observations online through the ABP website if that suits you easier than post / delivering the observations to the ABP offices in Dublin city centre.
You'd think that would appear in a search like https://www.pleanala.ie/en-ie/search-results?search=Railway%20Order
Frustratingly there are two different search functions on the website. You're using the website content search. It will find text in information pages on the website. You need to use the case search functionality: https://www.pleanala.ie/en-ie/case-search
Surprised this isn't being done as part of the DART+ programme. I suppose they're aiming to keep the DART+ budget relatively low
separate project I guess, the article says most of the work is not directly on the railway line itself, but coastal defences adjacent to the line.
I've beat this drum before, but if this project is looking 50-100 years down the line as they say, they should be planning for a new tunnel through Bray Head and to abandon the line around the cliffs (even if it's not for 20 years, start planning for it now).
Apparently NASA is helping with the DART too 😑🙄
https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-to-provide-update-on-dart-world-s-first-planetary-defense-test
Does anyone know how Irish Rail intend to split train services from the Kildare line (Cork line) upon completion of Dart+?
This includes Dart South West from Celbridge & Hazelhatch and commuter services from Newbridge, Kildare, Portlaois etc.
There will be 4 main options for terminus - Heuston Main, New Spencer Dock, Connolly or Grand Canal Dock. Fixed routes with well defined interchanges would make most sense, rather than a jumble of destinations?
Continuing a discussion on future train frequencies on DART West line that was started in the Metrolink thread.
It says Zone F will be 2 tph and that this covers "Maynooth to Depot". Presume passengers won't be able to make that journey though?
Is there a P&R west of Maynooth Station? Not sure what reference Zone F has - maybe just Sligo Intercity / Longford commuter.
Attaching snippets again for reference. The main document is also attached - the relevant piece starts around page 217
Thanks for that. The passage towards the end is interesting
This is taken from that document
With regards to DART origin and destination pairs, the level of service is the following:
North – South :
• Drogheda – Bray – 5 tphpd (2 tphpd start/finish passenger service at Laytown and turn-back at the depot siding in Drogheda).
• Clongriffin – Bray – 2 tphpd.
• Malahide – Greystones – 2 tphpd.
Howth shuttle (Howth – Howth Junction) - 6 tphpd.
West – South
• Maynooth – Bray – 3 tphpd.
• Hazelhatch – Grand Canal Dock – 3 tphpd.
West – Docklands:
• Maynooth – Docklands – 3 tphpd.
• M3 Parkway – Docklands – 4 tphpd.
• Hazelhatch – Docklands – 4 tphpd.
Heuston DART:
• Hazelhatch – Heuston – 4 tphpd.
Irish Rail's numbers don't add up in my opinion. I don't believe they've figured out what the main routes will be.
As per your extract, there'll be 6 Dart trains from West & South West going to Connolly / GCD. Given a capacity of 8tphpd at North Strand Junction, that would leave 2tphpd for all "non-Dart" trains.
Non Dart trains would include Sligo Intercity, Longford commuter and Newbridge commuter (the ones that currently go via PPT).
BEMUs can operate to Newbridge they're not necessarily terminating in hazelhatch
Glasnevin Station serving 17 trains per hour would make it a mega station. The service pattern is complex. I think there will have to be route numbers because the range of origins and destinations would be difficult to map and understand for someone not familiar with the geography of the railways.
34 actually per hour if you count both directions. Add in the Metro and it's over 60!!
That's a very serious station, even by mainland Europe standards. I somehow think the streetscape isn't prepared for the volume of people pouring in and out of it. Footpaths around there are miniscule.
That would probably make it the busiest station in the country?
I'd say the work being done on the station would include access etc
It probably would, but in Irish terms thats where it would end! And we all know they won't get it right anyway.
will people be "pouring" in and out of it? It'll be primarily a transfer station, Glasnevin isn't suddenly going to become a major destination.
BEMU are only for use on the Northern Line. There's no infrastructure works on DART South West project to enable the usage of BEMUs.
Well that's the plan initially at least. The good thing about the BEMUs is that their use can be expanded to service the likes of Longford/newbridge without significant investment in electrification.
That's assuming they won't just convert them all to EMU once dart plus has finished being implemented, that is.
No, not suddenly, but it will eventually. Wouldn't be terribly surprised to see that as a major destination 20 years after the station opens.
Lots of people will change to bus also
I wonder if / when Mountjoy prison will be moved out of the city centre?!! This would certainly increase footfall between Glasnevin and Mater stations.
Also, in terms of streetscape, a significant portion of buildings will be demolished to build the station, so I imagine the streets will be widened.
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But seriously, I never realised how close the sites were. It really is prime redevelopment land, but I'd imagine the history would turn many off. Either way, I'm sure Thornton Hall will be used at some stage, so some reservations should be made for the upgrade of the walkways.
This is exactly like the service frequencies that were promised for Luas when it was being built. 3 minute headways were more like 10-15 minute headways most of the time when the project was realised.
That would have been peak 3 minute, which Luas does five days a week in core sections.
