Seems hotel hosting Ireland's resident right wing party has descended into violence today with police being called
Welcome to another episode of made up facts from the boards anti woke movement.
Fascism is an Italian derived word and the word anti has origins in ancient Greek and has been used to mean against or opposed for quite a considerable time.
Anti fascist merely means opposed or against fascism and any extra sauce you are applying is your own.
Wow is this actuallly true? I hope it's just some random twitter guy making stuff up.
what about indirectly inciting violence? is that ok? what about actually committing violence, something the National party have a history of.
Antifascist was indeed a term invented by communists to give themselves yet another cover name.
Is that right to free speech a one way street? Do others have the right to go to the same hotels and express their views?
Do you ever wonder how a party with no public representatives manages to fund an event like this in a five star hotel?
Why would Marxists be concealing their Marxism?
A lot of very poor and intolerant comments on this thread, from both right and left. I don't have much time for the far left and far right, but in what is supposed to be a liberal democracy they have every right hold meetings in whatever hotel, beerhall or other venue which is willing to host them. As long as they do not directly incite violence they should be more or less free to say and publish what they want.
I do have fears that hate speech laws may in future be used by the illiberal left (sometimes misnamed the "liberal left") to stifle freedom of expression, which will only make martyrs out of right-wing extremists.
I understand the sneaky tactics, wearing the “ anti fascist “ or “ anti racist “ label will instantly portray oneself as being of sound intention , afterall who wants to back fascism or racism
the truth however is that those who identify as either of the above today are invariably involved in Marxist politics, that part they tend to conceal
“I think potentially” - could it be any more vague?
Who exactly should I be calling out and condemning? Do you have some factual information as to who did what?
did they attack people or were they attacked when they turned up to protest? It isn't like the national party thugs don't have a history of attacking those opposed to them.
Fake news media sure🙄
What do you think of a bus load of thugs turning up and attacking people who hold different political beliefs?
I think potentially there were knives involved,
so the person quoted didn't see a knife but is assuming one was used?
"They said they were anti-fascists. One person got hit with a car, and I think potentially there were knives involved,” they claimed"
"One man’s hand was bleeding quite badly.”
You haven't called out and condemned. Only excuses .
A bus load of thugs
No surprise that The National Party, in October 2022, was found not to be compliant with accounting rules by the SIPO
Follow the money…….
Where you're getting confused is that the 'official' anti-fascist movement (Antifaschistische Aktion) was started by the KPD (Communist Party of Germany) because they, along with Jews, were the first victims of Nazism and did much of the early fighting against fascism in Germany.
In Finland in 1930 (before Antifaschistische Aktion was even around) there was an anti-communist movement, which conservatives were part of, but they quite quickly realised it was a fascist uprising so they jumped ship and fought against it.
The term "fascism" was born from the lips of Mussolini in 1919 and it had its enemies, across the political spectrum and across the world, from that day.
There is also a difference between anti-fascist and non-fascist;
Remember, it is free to take a book out of your local library.
It's a fantastic service and one you should avail of.
SF have the advantage of not being traditionally matey on a social level with media , FG ( at least one wing of the party) are dreadfully concerned with what the Irish Times and RTE think of them , SF are not burdened by social respectability in this regard
that said the party has aggressively courted the WOKE left middle class vote in recent times so it’s a case of balancing their traditional working class base and their newly earned progressive vote which they have stolen from Labour to a degree and compete with several other parties for , this demographic ( WOKE progressive) is massively represented in media so they probably will be very careful to curb immigration?, they are though experts at speaking out of both sides of their mouth and completely shameless so I’d have more faith in them doing something overall than FG and FF ( under Martin who as has been said is the first FF leader who cared what the Irish Times editorial thought of him )
Can homosexuals join?
In 2017, during the party's first ard-fheis held at the Trump International Golf Links and Hotel Ireland, Barrett stated that the National Party was "only for straight Irish people" and defended perceived homophobic comments made by James Reynolds, causing guest speaker John Wilson to walk out of the event in protest.
I reckon a bunch of LBGQT folk should apply to join the party, making clear their sexual identities and when refused entry to the party, Cha-Ching!!
I don’t thing they’d be having their conferences in 5 star hotels for a while …
This is a registered political party under the Electoral acts of 1992 and 2019.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland
I’d be interested to see where the funding is coming from and how that money is being spent and how they can afford to host their little soirée in a 5 star hotel.
JB himself was charged with no licence insurance or NCT along with public order offences just last year - can’t find the outcome of this though
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40713956.html
I think what is more likely to happen is that there will be a hardening of views over large scale immigration and government will adapt to that, by taking on some measures to appease that hardening. The Netherlands are a good example of that, clipping the heels of far right parties in the process. Yes, can even see SF doing this.
People keep saying that but still no sign of it thankfully...let's hope it stays that way
Who do you think should take over from him?
The BelTel article doesn’t say that anyone was armed and doesn’t say anything about who used a knife (singular, not plural).
Why exaggerate?
The national party will be a force soon. Just like their mates in Sweden,Denmark,Norway,Finland,Germany etc.
Just need to get rid of Barratt and wait for a SF government.
I imagine most soldiers who fought the Nazis weren’t overly political at all , one can be opposed to fascism and not be political , the self I.D “ anti fascist “ is entirely politically loaded , ditto with “ anti racist “
its code for communist
How uneventful is your life that you go to the hassle of organising a bus to go have a fight across the border?
Other way round, maybe — "Communist" is a label commonly applied to anyone who resists fascism.
It is you who is in need of some education,The people - soldiers who fought the nazis didn’t self identify as “ anti fascist “
im not saying the fascists were good guys but the self titled “ anti fascists ( cable st riot etc) were communists
one can be opposed to fascism and not self identify as “ anti fascist “, ditto with being opposed to racism, those who self identify as “ anti racist “ are much more than that but it’s a clever handle
The extreme left have just grabbed those words for their own benefit with a helpful media not challenging them. Now they perceive their enemy to be populist national parties, of which we've seen grow across Europe.
Yes, very small here but when you get out of Ireland you can see clearly how things have affected other countries. Ireland about 20-30 years behind in that journey.
And there you have it folks. If you don't like violence you are a snowflake.
According to the Belfast telegraph while the conference was underway a minibus of antifa crusty types pulled up and a melee ensued
The people on the minibus were harmed and reports of knives being used.
Part of the description as to the definition of fascism is "forcible suppression of opposition" which is ironic in this case!
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