The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

people like you laughing at cold blooded murder for ego by people who are still hiding in sf should help sway a few people at least .

please continue

Are you serious, what age are you, every time they resorted to the ballot box the people supported them, if you use google you can try searching for 'Fermanagh South Tyrone bye-election 1981', and just for your historical information this was at a time 'when they were killing people'. Why do people post pure verifiable sh1te like this.

But they have haven't they?

Anyone would think we haven't gotten a peace process.

Cheese on the table, heat in the house and someplace to go if you get sick is what it boils down to now.

If you live in the past then FF and FG would surely never have gotten together?

The future is what you have to look to.

And what did SF have to 'change' to get to this point ? -

1) Adams v O'Bradaigh 1980's - Adams won SF entered Dail elections

2) The peace process and the burying of the gun the relinquishing of the territorial claim on NI - instead having a principle of consent. Power sharing.

4) SF's flip flopping on Europe / EU from Eurosceptic to entering MEP elections to the further the parties popularity and sanitise it for the ROI electorate. To euroskeptic again, maybe?

https://www.pbp.ie/people-before-profit-slam-hypocrisy-of-sinn-fein-u-turn-on-eu/

5) SF U-turn on the Special Criminal Courts very recently by MLM (which caused backlash by some traditionalists in SF) but was necessary to convince the ROI electorate of SF's concern about organised crime. As SF as a majority no longer see the SCC as the enemy of their 'comrades'.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sinn-fein-set-to-abandon-total-opposition-to-special-criminal-court-40997785.html

But I suggested in the past on these boards that SF's attitude on the SCC should change in order to give a sign to the ROI electorate of their intentions. And surprisingly MLM obliged maybe she read my post!?

Previously SF wanted to abolish the SCC - now it seems there is tacit support with vague calls of reform in the future.

6) SF's much noted quiet U-turn on Russia and removal of all articles linked with Russia in the past on the parties website

https://sluggerotoole.com/2022/03/16/sinn-feins-burns-its-record-on-russia-the-party-simply-wiped-thousands-of-embarrassing-statements-from-its-website/

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And in my view much of the above above was not achieved by SF, it was the constant work of other parties (The British Government, The Irish Government, The SDLP/Hume, Ian Paisley Snr/Bill Clinton/David Trimble that gradually dragged SF/Gerry Adams/IRA to this point.

A triumph for democracy. And sure you have noted the electorate as a whole is STILL unsure of SF in the ROI, In the last election three parties ran on the assumption that they would NOT go into coalition with SF. Those parties labour/FF/FG.

So the majority are still not ready for SF, and the apparent new so called 'change' on the horizon as per their ard fheis. To me, the main change is not SF policy wise, but the democratisation of SF - a change away from the NI image, to one that is designed for the ROI electorate. More palatable, looking like a lesser threat. more women less beards on their ballots.

The slow change of SF can only be a good thing, but at the back of my mind I still question their sincerity.

The problem is you see you are looking at it with a longer memory and an overall picture. It doesn't matter if someone pro-SF anti-SF or neither of the above mentions such topics.

Mention of such topics they don't land with a cohort of the electorate.

The next questions are why it does not 'land' with the electorate?

1) SF have operated for so long outside the boundaries of legality that it just becomes another in long list of questionable events - the attitude becomes 'oh it it is just a SF' par for the course it is normalised.

2) The next issue is time - the Paul Quinn murder happened in 2007.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/who-was-paul-quinn-and-why-has-his-murder-become-an-election-issue-1.4162636

15 years ago and about one month ago that means there is a generation or more that it does not resonate with. I mean to put it in context that was the year Noelle Healy made her debut for the Dublin ladies, she is an analyst now. Ancient history for many. Never mind the 100 years as the mod mentioned. And SF know this, that is why they target the younger voter.

3) The third factor is a more sinister one, such issues are covered up/glossed over by SF as consequence of 'the struggle' but don't want to let mention of such issues derail 'the struggle'. The strategy must not be derailed at any cost.

Which is why we have seen a panicked MLM clarifying the difference (in her mind) between gangland criminality and the Provisional IRA - as a result of the Regency Hotel attacks only in 2014. But somehow neglected to mention the Republican and SF links in the case.

it would be a question of resignation for anyone else to have such 'associates'. And contrary to MLM claims that she was not aware of Dowdall's criminality. The truth is it was common local knowledge. Any other party leader would be told to resign from the party, nevermind the leadership in that scenario. But not SF, different rules.

Gerry Adam's cover up of his brother's paedophilia, did not even raise a call of leadership change among SF.

But yet in contrast serious questions were raised in the dail about Leo Varadkar and the 'GP document' for instance.

The playing field is not at the same at all for SF v other political parties in the dail. And they know it all too well. The 'cultural norms' are vastly different.

jokers who are going to be the next or a future government across the whole island.

such jokers alright.

remember ffg enabled the catholic church so have no ability to moralise over sf.

and i'm glad MLD appreciated the speech, if it wasn't for the PIRA northern ireland would still be a sectarian statelet where almost everyone that isn't orange would either be dead or cleansed to the south.