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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,787 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You never answered the question.

    And who will do all the jobs that these migrants are doing? Will they work for the rates or conditions that the migrants are working for?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Charlie Kirk fancies he can run his own rightwing bootcamp to psychologically and physically "break them" to "become a man"

    “Our men’s summit is out in the woods, no phones. We deprive you of calories of sleep, we break you and we teach you something, and then you learn how to become a man,” Kirk said triumphantly as the crowd began to clap.

    Which seems very brainwashy to me, I have to say.

    Oh well, half the signups will be CIA agents ☺️

    Oh wait, half the signups will be CIA agents 🧐



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,787 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Sure they'll have a 2 hour seminar at it on 'the Left is trying to indoctrinate you' instructions given will include reciting the pledge of allegiance to the flag twice a day while denouncing 'The Left'.

    Saw a video from a school board meeting where a crowd was protesting against indoctrination. One of the ladies had her 4 or 5 year old with her, fully decked out in MAGA gear....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Most of them have never been from anything other than a solid middle class upbringing in the west , never mind grew up in a communist country

    revolu Posers like Richard Boyd Barrett or Paul Murphy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,787 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Hi and welcome to the thread.

    Go ahead and join the group of people over there who think the only alternative to right wing philosophies fcuking everyone over, is communism.

    I'm pretty sure not everyone could have done this by mistake in a thread where zero posts call for communism so I assume it's just using the same tactics their preffered political groupset use despite no evidence of such calls being made.

    So much for original thought.

    P.S. the edit button is hidden behind the ellipses in the top right of the post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Klepper overlaps a few topics here, but at core is an insight on the cultism of feeding these people on the right of the political spectrum the things they want: patriotism, sense of belonging, feeding them garbage talking points du jour and driving them down information silos to footsoldier the owning of the libs etc.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,787 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    The man tweeting this was appointed a senior White House Advisor by the last President.

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    Even Bolsonaro doesn't agree.

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    How anyone could look at Bannon and think that he is interested in Democracy absolutely astounds me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,018 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    ^

    It seems to be the go-to now for the worst of the right wing that every election they lose is somehow, by magic maybe, "stolen".

    Childish cobblers altogether.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,637 ✭✭✭maninasia


    In Irelands case its even easier to just throw some bungs to the two European protest politicians.

    China does the same, they have a huge budget for overseas propaganda. I would look very carefully into Wallace's finances in particular and any kind of indirect business connections he has with that country.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    I know very little about bolsonaro bar his apparent belligerent attitude towards saving the Amazon, Brazil probably better off without him , Lula isn’t far left anyway, I remember him in power before



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,388 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Or they actually believe in what they're saying. That's as likely really. And as I've said before I'm glad we have them, even if I don't buy into their thinking. Elected reps who go hard against the narrative de jour is one of the signs of a healthy democracy. We don't see anything like them in China, Russia etc. Or if we do they're a planted whipping boy for the official narrative to rail against and make look stupid.

    Just going on my personal albeit limited exposure to pro Russian people over the years I'd agree with Riff's point; all of them are very much right wing. The actual Russian ones are both right wing(extemely traditionalist, nationalist, anti LGBT and shockingly anti-semitic) and anti democracy. Well the Western sort anyway. The one where you have choice or even the impression of choice* They prefer candidates that are all singing from the same hymn sheet, the only "choice" being a personal like/don't like one. Basically Soviet style democracy.

    Of the people on the Left I know, they're all supportive of Ukraine, but anti NATO/the war and pro talks. I suppose they'd be seen as "friendly" for Russian purposes as much as the NWO/WEF/Bill Gates is tracking us and The Gays are after our children types.



    * I say impression because that can vary across nations. EG in Ireland we've the two main parties who are basically the same now. Sinn Fein has entered the fray and we'll see how they go. IMHO the Greens will be history soon enough beyond a couple of seats in leafy feature walled suburbia. The Left only get a couple of seats so have little power beyond the rantings against them on twitter, the Right is pretty much non existent beyond twitter and the rantings of the left looking so hard for a windmill to tilt at that they have to go beyond our shores to find it.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well when you have mainly scrotes and the mentally challenged as supporters it is a lie that they easily swallow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,018 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Sad, but true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,787 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I may have spoken too soon.

    Apparently Bolsonaro is going to give a speech shortly and his supporters are causing some disruption on the streets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,787 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    This is what Free Speech looks like in the new Twitter space.

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    Pay me or your content will be buried so deep you won't be able to find it yourself.

    I won't hold my breath waiting for the people who spent last x number of years complaining about big tech to speak up on this one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    That's your own interpretation on what is written.

    But you are blinkered by your bias, you did start this thread



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,787 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    He literally said it. $8 a month or your content will not be prioritized and you'll be burdened with ads and not have the ability to post longer content etc. He is demanding people pay for their time on the soap box. Totally fine if that's the business strategy he wants to take, but totally not free the free speech that he and his fan group have been going on about.


    Do you think every thread that is started here is done from a place of bias, or just those you disagree with. I feel I've more than explained the logic behind my position with clear and obvious examples from the real world all around us to back it up. Bias is taking a position without such evidence.

    We've had people target me (as you have done), talk about history, talk about extremism and the usual 'both sides blah blah blah' but virtually no one has challenged the core message that most of the prominent situations negatively impacting people today are the outcome of the policies of right wing individuals, governments, media, ideologues. And the fact that lots of people on here continue to be focused on getting riled up about 'Liberal / Left wing' topics that are comparatively inconsequential is also very evident.



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  • Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Caspian Lively Wrinkle


    At least someone does.

    I've seen some hysterical nonsense about how Brazil will now be in the throes of communism and the depths of despair. People seemingly unaware that he has already served two terms and, shock horror, Brazil didn't turn to ruin, in fact, it was a very prosperous period for them.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,388 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Yup and let's face it General Franco of Spain would be "to the left" of Bolsonaro.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,388 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Space X is very cool, but Musk is an unstable egotistical knob at the best of times. I don't get the widespread nerdgasm about him at all.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,787 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    He may have bitten off more than he can chew on this one. It's all very public and interactions like the one with Stephen Kin yesterday will have those who sign advertising cheques feeling very nervous. Didn't come off at all like someone who had a defined strategy. Time will tell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Why are people acting like saying elections were rigged or stolen is a phenomenon of the right, Hilary Clinton constantly says the election was stolen from her and even predicts that future elections will be rigged or stolen

    https://youtu.be/XQesfLIycJw



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,787 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    • There was more than enough demonstrable evidence to support Hillary's claims as she made them.
    • She conceded the election to Donald the night of it, or early next morning.
    • She, nor the Democrats didn't seek to prevent Trump being inaugurated by storming the capitol.
    • She, nor the Democrats didn't bring over 60 cases to various courts looking to have the results overturned.
    • She, nor the Democrats didn't call election officials begging them to 'find' votes.

    These two situations are not remotely the same no matter how strongly you look to 'Both Sides' them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    The Clinton camp wanted recounts much like Trump's did when he lost. Stacey Abrams initially refused to concede she'd lost, brought legal cases against the state over it, and is still denying that she lost her election. Before that there was a widespread belief that Bush "stole" the election from Gore. You really are a great example of the partisan mind virus, you literally block out everything that goes against your worldview.

    10 minutes of denial from the Dems:


    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Mostly just seems gratitude for throwing around all that south african mine money into progressive projects like electrifying cars and privatizing space travel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Joe Biden certified the 2016 election himself.

    The efforts to equate any of this to the January 6 Insurrection campaign are totally bananas.

    There were indeed formal objections but that's not what the insurrection concerned and I think you and most other plebs already know this. The insurrection was a long shot plan to delay the proceedings (shown happening normally above) through to January 7+ - thereby throwing the US into a legal and constitutional crisis, owing to the fact the law stipulates Jan 6 as the day for the election to complete. It's (mostly) why Pence was hiding in a garage and not in a SCIF somewhere, if he left the building, the forma session would have been in doubt.

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    The mob was his latch ditch effort to loophole his way into retaining power.

    https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Interim%20Staff%20Report%20FINAL.pdf



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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Completely forgot that more electors voted for Pence as VP than they did for Trump as President. Just one more, in fact.

    I’d say Trump hated that.



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