Criminal Justice (Incitement to Violence or Hatred and Hate Offences) Bill 2022 - Read OP

Can you give a practical example of hate speech against trans people that isn't otherwise covered by existing legislation?

It makes perfect sense.

Can you establish an example of a hate crime against trans people under this new legislation - a hypothetical, somewhat practical and realistic example?

You earlier mentioned the advocation of the murder of trans people. But incitement to violence against anyone in society, for any reason, is already a crime.

So I'm trying to establish the surplus value of this novel legislation.

It's quite telling that you haven't come up with one realistic, practical example in response to my question.

I didn't request a list of types of hate crime.

I'm trying to establish whether the nature of this bill is justified. So far, I haven't seen a shred of evidence to support the legislation let alone any surplus value that existing laws do not already manage.

I asked whether you could give a practical example of a hate crime against trans people, under this new legislation, in which a person should be convicted for his/her actions - an action that isn't already covered under existing legislation (i.e. incitement to violence etc.).

If you can't even think of one example, then perhaps you should reconsider your support for this legislation.

No, but it happens to be the subject of this thread. Furthermore, other tangents of the legislation have already been discussed.

I'm against all forms of this kind of hate speech legislation; as I believe it is an affront to freedom of speech / expression.

Nor am I limiting myself to one area of the bill. I'm merely exploring it as it was made flesh in the title and OP of this thread.

Yet more disingenuous obfuscation.

It was established during the case that the man was trying to be offensive. He was being childish and obnoxious by setting up that page, trying to get a reaction.

Does he deserve a criminal record? Absolutely not.

I want police out and about arresting murderers, rapists, and burglars. I don't want police resources spent on arresting people on the basis of whether they set up Facebook pages talking about Travellers being used as shark bait. We've seen this kind of thing in the UK, where some idiot Tweeting about something obnoxious has police knocking on the door. It's ridiculous. Being obnoxious just makes someone a jerk. It doesn't mean we need to create new legislation.

I reiterate my earlier point though, that you've signally failed to provide a single example of a hate crime that could be committed against trans people under this legislation, that extant legislation doesn't already cater to.

More disingenuous nonsense.

My post makes it perfectly clear what I thought of both the case and his actions.

Nobody is saying that free speech is unlimited. Incitement to violence and so on, we know the rest. Your attempt at deflection, with that smelly red herring, has not gone unnoticed.

Nor is it relevant to this specific piece of legislation.