You really think Switzerland have less to be ashamed of and more to be proud of over their behaviour in WW2? F*chin hell. Not very aware of reality are we now
Yeah, Russia can’t even mount a coherent invasion of areas of Ukraine they already occupied, what makes you think they could manage anything beyond that. They are quick to use the thread of nukes but even they know they are severely over matched there also and while the use of them would cause massive loss of life elsewhere, but would result in extermination of Russia.
And China, they are playing Russia for fools, setting Russia up by pretending to back them leading to overextension and hubris resulting in eventual collapse if the Russian federation leading to the emergence of Chinese hegemony in Central asia and Siberia
It was diplomatically correct for a neutral state to send condolences on the death of a foreign leader.
Condolences =/= profiteering on the misery of others
The iodine pills of our day
Why is demanding control of your internationally recognized sovereign territory, dick waving?
No evidence provided, and a Russian government source. The chances of it being true do not seem to be very high.
**** I’d rather go back to picking up coins with chopsticks
The point I was responding to was the idea that peace is preferable to war.
You implicitly acknowledge this when you say NATO membership is needed as an outcome.
I think they need to get Russia back to 2014 borders. Membership of NATO by Ukraine accepted by Russia as per the NATO Russia Founding Act. And if Russia is to retain Crimea it also must be subject to that Act in terms of forces deployed if not more restrictions such that it can not be used as a staging post for invasion. Ditto for Belarus. All marine resources of Crimea stay Ukranian. All abducted Ukranians returned.
Russian assets retained as reparations.
Suspected underwater drone was destroyed near Sevastopol
Look, I think we gathered from previous discussions that you areSwiss and we know what they did in WW2, allow the banking system, facilitate the robbery of the wealth of all the European Jews.
We also saw what happened after Chamberlain made piece with Hitler and allowed the annexation of the Sudetenland stand. We saw what happened when Hitler and Stalin agreed to split Poland. When you allow an aggressor annex sovereign territory without any justification they just come back for more later. The only way WW3 is the outcome of this is of appeasement of Russia is allowed
Well finally we have an answer who blew up Nordsteam 1&2 ........
According to the Russians
Western media sources ...
Darn it .
I adore history but I am not quite sure what your point is?
Are you advocating for a never ending war? Or total Russian expulsion and then stop Or total defeat of Russia and the Ukrainian army continue all the way to Moscow (like George S Patton wanted) to topple the madman? Whats your more likely endgame?
I agree, Ukraine needs NATO membership as an outcome. Otherwise it will never be safe.
RTÉ would want to check their sources. Where do they get off posting such rubbish? 😂
The war has already started sunshine 😉
The first picture shows a Belorussian tank with a bucket full of burning something attached to its barrel This is apparently meant to confuse infrared-guided anti tank weapons and prevent them from hitting the engine block of a tank. General consensus is that this is about as useful as a chocolate teapot.
This is basically a continuation of the "cope cages", the metal cages mounted to the top of Russian tanks in the hope of triggering the warheads of anti-tank missiles before they hit the actual turret, which would invariably set of the munition stored there. Those cages have turned out to be effectively useless against weapons such as NLAW or Javelin.
Hello WW3. Staying neutral and watching from the sidelines for the next 6 years this time around ?
The top pic is of a cunning plan the Bellorussians devised to protect their tanks from heat seeking ordnance.
The secret to assessing such claims. Based on track record, If Russia said it it’s almost certainly not true. If someone else did it warrants consideration.
I missed this, what's the first pic about? (that lead to the jokes like Beatrice's fascinator).
I don't know the exact circumstances of these deportations, (is it to do with Children?) but guessing here that they are from Russian occupied territories? These people are not going voluntary. Well, if the Red Cross is involved, then it's a very good thing for them, at least it's all now on record. Even if the Russians use it as publicity stunt as in " Look, the ICRC is involved, everything they do is above board."
Hi Neville
You didn't answer my question - only looking for an opinion, I know you're not in charge. You can be damn sure that there is a huge amount of backchanneling going on. There always is. Feelers etc. I am not saying either side is prepared to go into peace talks - I am saying I'd prefer peace to ongoing war. With a hugely favourable outcome for Ukraine of course (e.g. I doubt they get Crimea back). I am too old for the young bloodlust on this thread.
Cool heads would surely conclude that rewarding acts of violent invasion would only encourage future violence. Negotiating can proceed on the premise that there be no doubt that the Russians failed and that their people understand that the action by the Russian state caused them more pain than reward.
Dont forgot the satanists.
There will be other idiotic Russian leaders like Putin with a point to prove. For me a red line in the negotiations would be complete acknowledgement of the sovereign state of Ukraine by Moscow (not to be trusted of course) but more importantly the right to join NATO and/or EU.
A discourse on the nature and evolution of survival enhancing traits, unique to the Orc species.
They announced a week or so after the explosions they had proof of who done it..... They still haven't fabricated released it yet.
I'd put it down to the usual tripe that they come up with.
Nazis in Ukraine.
Drug addicts running the country
Western coup
Biological pigeons and now mosquitos
Dirty bomb etc....
Nice way to deflect away from the smoking accidents in Sevastopol.
Peace is more than the absence of war. Atrocity and death and crimes can happen under occupation. As many french men died under occupation as under arms.
Was peace with Hitler preferable to defeating him and freeing conquered peoples?
So no peace is not always preferable. Ukraine needs peace and safety (of NATO membership). Not a truce to allow an enemy time to rearm while they have a knife at your belly.
I agree with you, that's my understanding too.
I was addressing Podge's questioning of why they would involve themselves with Russian deportation of Ukrainian citizens.
Ukrainian Intelligence brief:
Russia exported from the so-called Kherson remains of the "occupant" Potemkin buried there - British intelligence
The latest actions of the Russian occupying forces in the Kherson region may indicate their preparation for a quick escape.
Thus, the intelligence service recalls that Volodymyr Saldo, the Gauleiter of the Kherson Region appointed by Russia at first, stated that Russia illegally stole and removed from Kherson the remains of the famous Russian statesman Prince Grigory Potemkin, who occupied Ukrainian territories in the 18th century.
Lol. They sure are confident about holding onto Kherson and the rest of their stolen bits of Ukraine.
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