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New Boston virus (lab developed super-COVID)

[Deleted User]

Having got away without killing millions of healthy people with the previous (possible) lab escape, these nutters are developing a new super COVID that could kill up to 80% of victims.

This would make the Spanish flu outbreak of 1918 seem trivial. More like the black death of the middle ages.

Are people really that MAD!!

https://youtu.be/_WTZo9ieBKY

The last thing we need is a virus like this escaping from the lab!

source material is from the institution involved in the research

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.13.512134v1

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medi_bai

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058268675/new-boston-virus-lab-developed-super-covid

Not this **** clown of a “doctor” again

martingriff

You think this is new labs all over the world have deadly virus and pathogens. They do this for research for cures. You know prevention is better then looking for a cure after. Otherwise we be telling them all yo burn away what they have and only do research if the worst happens. So which one do you want

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119783092#Comment_119783092

Your reply was so rapid, it is obvious that you did not view the video.

Watch it and then reply.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119783104#Comment_119783104

They do research on the viruses that are already out there, not create new ones that are extra deadly when they are working on vaccines that will prevent the spread of such viruses!

This is a deliberate (successful) attempt to create a deadlier virus that could potentially kill millions, this is nothing to do with research into cures & treatments it's about bio-warfare.

Here is the document from the Lab in question

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.13.512134v1

Quote "We generated chimeric recombinant SARS-CoV-2 encoding the S gene of Omicron in the backbone of an ancestral SARS-CoV-2 isolate and compared this virus with the naturally circulating Omicron variant. The Omicron S-bearing virus robustly escapes vaccine-induced humoral immunity, mainly due to mutations in the receptor-binding motif (RBM), yet unlike naturally occurring Omicron, efficiently replicates in cell lines and primary-like distal lung cells. In K18-hACE2 mice, while Omicron causes mild, non-fatal infection, the Omicron S-carrying virus inflicts severe disease with a mortality rate of 80%."

Jim_Hodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119783092#Comment_119783092

Is this the same Dr John who posted right through Covid as a Doctor when he is a retired A&E Nurse? It seems to be, so I'm taking it with a pinch of salt after he was shown to be spreading misinformation so many times then.

Jim_Hodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119783187#Comment_119783187

Yes, just for balance. At the very least I'd be reticent to fully accept his claims.

John Campbell (YouTuber) - Wikipedia

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119783210#Comment_119783210

You don't need to believe his claim, I have included the original source file in the post.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119783187#Comment_119783187

Misinformation, that now looking back was mostly proven to be correct.

[Deleted User]

Anyone who deviates from the narrative must be destroyed..

Jim_Hodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119783246#Comment_119783246

A failure to aspirate was a cause of myocarditis - misinformation and shown to be so.

ivermectin was responsible for a sudden decline in COVID-19 cases in Japan. - untrue they hardly used it and never sanctioned it's use.

a Pfizer document showed it was associated with 1,223 deaths. - when clearly the document said no such thing.

The claim that a report showed the risk to children from COVID-19 vaccination was much greater than the risk of getting seriously ill from COVID-19 - the authors came out with a statement that they had actually said the opposite.

So, he has hardly been shown to be right, has he?

As I said, take it with a pinch of salt.

Stormyteacup

Not sure why OPs initial post has resulted in a critique of nurse/doctor John.

Gain of Function Research is not a theory. It’s carried out worldwide and has been for some time.

The issue is with diseases that affect humans, and the need for strict regulation if manipulation to make disease more deadly to humans is being pursued.

It’s a double-edged sword, it’s possible that it will enhance prevention or cure of dangerous diseases, but there is high risk involved. It was barred for a time. This article is good for information;

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02903-x

But so long as the information-sharer can be discredited then the information can automatically be discredited, right?

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119783329#Comment_119783329

Some great cherry-picking there, as I said he was proven to be mostly correct, the 15% increase in excess mortality due to "unknown" causes is one example.

kippy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119783187#Comment_119783187

Not sure whether he ever claimed to be a medical doctor in fairness.

I have to say, I personally thought his commentary was as good and more accurate and balanced than many on the same and similiar platforms.

Haven't watched this video yet as have been avoiding all things COVID on youtube related since January thus year

thebaz

You really think after a 2 year pandemic , that brought the world to a halt for so long , that game of function testing or messing with nature with a more deadly virus would be severely restricted , this is deeply worrying . The conspiracy was that Covid escaped from a Game of Function lab in Wuhan , and today you have the United States allowing Game of Function experimintation to continue. Hopefully it is really well supervised and regulated but very worrying after all the world has ben through and sacrifised the past 2 years.

thebaz

Hope the Scientists at Boston University are investigated fully as it sound like they breached regulations.:-

https://www.ft.com/content/f2e88a9c-104a-4515-8de1-65d72a5903d0

Thankfully, the mutated virus does not seam as deadly as in Dr. John video, nevertheless Game of Function research needs to be regulated rigoursly, given what we all had to endure with Covid, even if it did nor escape from a lab.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119783950#Comment_119783950

Well, as Dr John was quoting from the source article, I don't see how you can say "does not seem as deadly".

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.13.512134v1

Quote "We generated chimeric recombinant SARS-CoV-2 encoding the S gene of Omicron in the backbone of an ancestral SARS-CoV-2 isolate and compared this virus with the naturally circulating Omicron variant. The Omicron S-bearing virus robustly escapes vaccine-induced humoral immunity, mainly due to mutations in the receptor-binding motif (RBM), yet unlike naturally occurring Omicron, efficiently replicates in cell lines and primary-like distal lung cells. In K18-hACE2 mice, while Omicron causes mild, non-fatal infection, the Omicron S-carrying virus inflicts severe disease with a mortality rate of 80%."

medi_bai

I don’t need to watch the guy. He has been shown time and time again to be completely off the mark with his various takes.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119784266#Comment_119784266

Well read the article instead!

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119784266#Comment_119784266

Can you provide us with a few examples?

thebaz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119784095#Comment_119784095

According to NY Times this new newly created virus is not as lethal as original virus :-

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/22/science/covid-virus-laboratory-experiments.html

As I said they should not be messing with Game of Function , and certainly should be sticking to regulations, but looks like the more lethal claim is an over-exageration, other media outlets saying so too.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119784910#Comment_119784910

So, who are we supposed to believe, the paper from the Scientists working at the Lab in question, or a newspaper journalist who had interpreted the article and rewritten it for the general public.

It is type of journalism that exaggerated the dangers of COVID to healthy people that caused the mass hysteria we're witnessed over the past three years

That is now trying to underplay the risks in another lab outbreak that could really be a mass killer.

It's little wonder many people have lost theie trust of scientists, journalist and most critically politicians.

thebaz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119785165#Comment_119785165

I do not have the answers to that , like much of Covid, how it miraculously stopped in the western world last January . But if it this was such a threat to the world, I believe the media would be all over it. I just hope it is investaged properly to ensure ther is zero chance of a leak , but I am not condoing this testing/ experiment, I think it should be outlawed, unless ther is a reason I dont know, but why such a risk is even taken, given all we have been through, that I dont know.

EOQRTL

No idea about the YouTube doctor but the source for the research is undeniable.

[Deleted User]

I see the pandemic of misrepresentation continues. Generally at an inverse proportion to how much they actually understand this source

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119788469#Comment_119788469

Whats your thoughts on his piece about unexplained excess deaths, you were a huge proponent of the severe restrictions...must be getting a little uncomfortable now looking back?

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119788532#Comment_119788532

Why do you lie? Where did I express an opinion that was in line with being a huge proponent of restrictions? Or is it that questioning the misrepresentation of the cranks automatically makes someone a huge proponent of restrictions?

Excess deaths in the first part of the year followed covid deaths. There were still quite a few in Europe up to spring. Summer had a massive heatwave in Europe with resulting spike in excess deaths. Now back close to normal. There is also elements of vulnerable people who were sheltering during covid now getting exposed to covid and other pathogens and elements of missed early medical interventions. But for 2022 the overwhelming factors are covid and heat.

Care to comment that the brains trust here are misrepresenting a study on mice, who have been bred to be susceptible to the virus, having an 80% mortality to a version of the virus being tested, as being evidence that they developed a virus with 80% mortality?

That is what this place is, compare apples with jet engines and claim that because apples fall from a tree all planes are going to crash

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119788621#Comment_119788621

I'm not sure we are allowed to talk about the existence of gain of function research and Covid, so I'll stay out of it thanks.

You were one of the many posters on here throughout the pandemic defending restrictions, you refused time and time again to recognize the seasonality factor of the pandemic, which I'm guessing allowed you defend the year round restrictions, no doubt fully in the belief you were "following the science" or some other banal statement the government drilled into you.

If you think the heatwave in Europe is responsible for the excess deaths we are seeing here in Ireland, then I don't know what to say to you, that is delusional....you have abandoned your ability to critically analyze!!!

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119788657#Comment_119788657

Jesus, you’re still on your pacific island aren’t you. Still beating the seasonal drum. I think an early summer wave of infections showed that particular theory up

And I also see you are continuing to lie about anyone who doesn’t buy into your bizarre narratives.

Here is the official data source on excess mortality in Europe, which is what I was talking about. Not much of a spike showing for Ireland in 2022, but our data does lag by up to 90 days so let’s see where it goes

https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps

And just completion, figures that are available for excess mortality in Ireland recently are based off analysis of data from RIP.ie. The excess deaths by this metric are running fairly close to the number of recorded covid deaths this year. I suspect however what this data will show once the official data is in is that the use of RIP .ie for posting death notices has increased during the pandemic, and that the population has grown 6% over the period being monitored

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119789103#Comment_119789103

Seasonal factor is a bizarre theory????

I didn't or wouldn't suggest the virus disappears at any stage of the year, it just isn't a threat that justified the severe restrictions, that we can now see have done untold damage to people....restrictions that you in particular were very supportive of!!

Just because you post in a very smug tone doesn't make you right! You still deny the seasonal factor and you still believe that a heat wave on the continent is driving excess death here in Ireland, talk to anyone in the industry, the current death rates are way higher than at any point during the pandemic.

Anybody reading this thread can spot who the cranks are....thinking bureaucrats successfully managed the spread of an airbourne virus over a two year period is something we will all laugh at in time!

You are in absolutely no position to be calling anyone a liar, or any pundit a crank given what you believe.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119789177#Comment_119789177

Seriously? Can you even read or is lying just your natural state?

Silentcorner: you still believe that a heat wave on the continent is driving excess death here in Ireland

Raid: Here is the official data source on excess mortality in Europe, which is what I was talking about

Also, I am sure you have some evidence to backup this claim?

talk to anyone in the industry, the current death rates are way higher than at any point during the pandemic.

Here is the official data:

And here is the RIP.ie data.

Where you take into account that there have been over 2,000 covid deaths this year (from cases in at least half the population at a CFR of <0.1%, versus 0.6% CFR pre vaccination and Omicron, which is why the are no more call for restrictions from anyone reasonable), and that the population has increased 6% since 2016, the data is not out of the ordinary. Wait the the final data is published and see where it lands and get back to me then. Or decide that there is a massive unexplained spike and deny reality, your choice?

And seasonal?

Here are the covid deaths in Ireland for 2022. We dont have much testing anymore so is the only reliable metric left.

Running at about 30 deaths per week over the summer which would equate to probable cases of at least 30,000 per week, and may well have been far higher, versus probably 60,000 in the early part of the year. Massive seasonal effect there.

This is what a seasonal virus chart looks like:

When did the world become so full of folks who think continually misrepresenting reality somehow makes them clever?