It's all falling apart alarmingly fast for Boris Johnson across the water. How long you reckon he has left as British Prime Minister? Hours surely?
How many parties are they talking about now? I've lost count.
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If Boris is throwing his hat into the ring and he gets the 100 MP backers, he's surely home & hosed. Yes you can't really believe a word he says on important matters....but he has that certain appeal to the common Brit. And he gets on well personally with those he needs to. The big problem for Ireland are related to who his backers are and their views on the EU and the protocol etc.
Jonathan Pie does not hold back!
https://youtu.be/aIh7XJVxCAY
There are refugees sleeping in tents tonight near Dublin Airport because we don’t have anywhere to put them, while still invite more to pile into the country every day.
There are 600 people lying on trolleys in Irish hospitals tonight despite having the 6th highest spend in the world on healthcare.
12000 Irish people are homeless in Ireland tonight.
Are you really sure we could counsel anyone?
It didn't sway them for Truss vs Sunak it definitely won't with Boris as an option
There is no evidence that this appeal exists now, his net approval rating when he was kick out was –48%, he is trailing Sunak in polls of ordinary voters. It's only the lunatics that elected Truss that seem to want him back.
Well, there was no such indicative vote last time between the Top 2. In the final 3-way ballot which eliminated Mordaunt, Sunak had 137 votes which was clearly less than half. Therefore, he couldn't claim to have the support of a majority of the MPs even though he likely did have it.
It just seems to me that this extra step could be important. Potentially one contender can continually point out they have the support of 66/70% whatever of MPs, and how therefore this will make it extremely difficult for their opponent to govern.
You may be quite correct that it won't sway the members one iota (though the fact that you say 'it didn't sway them for Truss v Sunak' suggests to me that you aren't aware of this extra step, as it didn't actually happen for Truss v Sunak)
Wow, way to merge two completely unrelated topics to, I assume, drive your own agenda
If Boris was really smart, he'd bow out if he got the 100 votes. He could then sit back, write his book, do his after dinner speaking whilst watching Sunak make difficult and unpopular decisions before losing the election in 2 years. Everything then would be primed for his return to be the saviour of the Tory party, all be it in opposition for a bit but that's the easy part and Johnson likes easy.
My agenda? Ireland is not in any condition or position to “counsel” any other country. How is that an “agenda”?
We are and we should help the desperate British people as thoughts turn to fleeing the desperate regime and collapsing society.
First up reception centers at the ready. There'll be plenty to go around so let's choose carefully the ones we take. 😎
Sunak has his 100 anyway
Sure kid, because this is really a thread for complaining about "piling" in refugees
Are you lost?
Yeah, you’re not making any sense at all I’m afraid…
fair enough thanks for the throughout explanation! Obviously doesn’t affect me in the slightest but it was mad to think she’d be due that money for a few weeks as you said.
To be honest I reckon if she had been due the full pension or a sizeable one for being PM for the few weeks there’d have been something done to stop it. The public would have been outraged, considering all the harm she caused.
Not many, perhaps. But we could certainly counsel the British.
(In, you know, electoral democracy. Political stability. How to run a referendum. What a referendum can and cannot achieve. The primacy of reality over ideology. That kind of thing.)
Yeah. What the Tory party needs is a leader who can hold a government together for as long as possible, so as to put as much blue water as possible between the present shambles and the next general election. So what they need above all is a leader who can hold a deeply divided and demoralised parliamentary party together for as long as is feasible. For that reason, which candidate enjoys the broadest support in the parliamentary party is obviously information that rational party members - there must be some - will want to factor into their voting decision.
At least, that is the hope of those who decided to add this feature to the leadership electoral process. They may be clutching at straws, though.
We get it, you love Boris.
Not really though
Boris should never have been removed to begin with.
It was a calamitous act of political self-harm; needless, and did nothing except generate support for the opposition. It was stupid.
Boris earned a 5-year mandate. Let him complete it. No other MP stands a chance to defeat Labour at the next election.
Not really, it'd be far better for everyone if the Tories were removed from government in the UK. Give Labour a few years, let the business community and others work on the population with the aim of the UK rejoining the EU.
But from the strict viewpoint of the current Tories, there is a reason that Boris got where he did. He has certain qualities and certain faults, question is do the former outweigh the latter?
Even if this were true, it doesn't follow that Johnson does stand a chance of defeating Labour. And in fact he does not; he was removed by his party precisely a few months ago because they recognised he had no chance whatsoever of staving off electoral defeat at the hands of Labour, and the factors which made that plain have not changed at all in the meantime.
What the Tories need is someone who can defer a general election for as long as possible. That means someone who can hold together their disparate and squabbling factions. That means someone not overly identified with any one faction. That means not Johnson. Johnson carries a high risk of an early election after yet more demonstration of low personal standards, bitter infighting and general ineptitude.
Any leader that can keep Labours majority to below 100 in the next election will be the one that the Tories should go for.
Does such a talented individual exist?
Boris was specifically got rid of as polling showed he had no chance of beating Labour at a general election.
Sunak was the only candidate polling with any chance at that time. He won't be now.
Drop the talk of refugees in Ireland
It works both ways.
Many of the pro-Boris MPs loathe the Sunak faction, who they view as traitors to Johnson - and rightly so.
So no matter who ascends to the position, internal divisions will exist.
Both Sunak and Johnson are said to have no chance.
In a 2-year period, who has a greater chance of turning things around? My money is on Johnson, precisely because he is not your standard MP. Sunak will not resonate with the public in the same way.
How you still don't understand its very simple to find what you said previously astounds me
Boris has more chance of being thrown out of parliament by a recall election than of recovering his polling position. The clown character has been seen through
Look at it from self preservation point of view. Those first time elected mps who rode in on Johnson coattail will naturally be allies, whereas longtermers know Johnsons inconsistencies in a coat of living crisis will make their reelection chances worse.
For many moderate tory mps thinking of self preservation the libdems may become their best hope in a tory party wipeput. They can always cite Johnson cultism as a defence.
Don't waste your time lad.
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