If only the democrats hadn't decided to invade Ukraine for no reason, eh?
Not sure if sarcasm but..
"World leaders should have been negotiating peace with Hitler and given him want he wanted, it was just a piece of land. FFS"
Drenched yourselves in Bitchute again?
The only way this BEGINS is appeasing Putin I'm afraid. Let's give the fascist dictator what he wants because he might get violent? Surrender our freedoms because some bast*rd decides to to mean? NO!
There are times to talk, there are times for peace and rebuilding...but there are also times to fight and this is one of those times. The Russians are welcome to leave Ukraine at any time and beg the world for forgiveness, but their crimes against humanity should never be rewarded. Putin is very welcome to make as many threatening noises as he likes, but he is also welcome to meet the business-end of the armed response he has earned himself.
Putin is also very welcome to go to hell, where I hope he'll take up residency in the near future.
I remember bullies in school and fellas letting the bully hit them every day.
Only when someone fought back did the bully get the message it’s not right.
This is good versus evil and the evil must never win.
That's a great idea, I'm sure Russia will honor any agreement made, after all they have a great track record of upholding agreements and international law...
Russia has broken the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, the New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty, the Open Skies Treaty, the Incidents at Sea Agreement, the Budapest Memorandum, the Minsk Agreement, the UN Charter, the UN Convention Against Torture, the Geneva Conventions and possibly the Genocide Convention to name but a few, but hey let's not let all that get in the way of things, they are such utopians when it comes to the international law world order.
Have you been paying attention? It's not just land, Putin is trying to replace Ukraine with Russia - not land but people.
The massive graves of civilians show this! Are you actually saying the world should stand by and not help Ukraine defend itself?
I'll just nip down to the Russian embassy and offer them Ireland in exchange for withdrawing from Ukraine. Peace at any cost, I say.
I actually think you're right. The peace deal should include (but not be limited to):
In return, Ukraine should:
That sounds like a very fair peace deal to me.
I only just learned the Irish version, now I have to learn this:-
Мы споем песню, солдатскую песню
С ликующим, воодушевляющим хором
Как вокруг наших пылающих огней мы толпимся
Звездное небо над нами
С нетерпением жду предстоящего боя
И пока мы ждем утреннего света
Здесь, в ночной тишине
Мы будем петь солдатскую песню
And that's just the first verse, FFS.
Yes, it is fair, a good start and a good end too.
Personally, I think the fear of a first strike should be instilled in the Russians because I suspect they're spoofing and it might put manners on them either way.
Putin would simply utilise any negotiations to his own advantage, to consider trusting him is laughable.
The worst I will do tomorrow is park illegally, Putin will cause the death, maiming, torturing and rape of countless people. The destruction & homelessness is secondary.
Make no mistake, he WILL be stopped.
While their propagandists should be treated as the jokes they are, I feel the Russian media and their associated political hacks are getting entirely too comfortable threatening the west with Nuclear weapons. Even recently wanting to fire a Sarmat at NATO defence ministers.
They never seem to really discuss the next part of that conversation, which is Moscow being turned to glass should the proceed with that action. I fully expect more of this in the lead up to their nuclear drills in October.
Fake news
Im pretty sure Russia can covertly move a few nukes around their own country at this stage, might even have a few close to the border since the 2014 invasion just in case
Why would have any expectations that Belarus' military is in better shape than RuSSia's? All they do is suppress protestors, my guess is there's a whole bunch of military kit that's supposed to be in service there that ended up paying for mansions in Italy and yachts. Plus, I think the Belarussians are more savvy to what's going in Ukraine and even less likely to want to go over the border than the RuSSians.
"Peace in our time" didn't work the last time and they had punier weapons.
Anyone who suggests appeasing Putin, really needs to understand that he does not fundamentally respect anyone pushing for peace. It is weakness to him.
He only understands strength. If you give him an sort of appeasement, he will keep pushing. Whether it's now or in a year, it has to be addressed.
Railway damaged in Novy Oskol district after missile hit
I think the West has slowly learned that. I don't hear many voices calling for talks with him anymore, only the likes of Wallace and Daly would call for an end to sanctions despite the economic pain to Europe, even the nuclear sabre rattling isn't leading to any push to appease Putin. Better late than never, it is now understood that he needs to be stopped, not accommodated.
Im waiting for the fairy dust .....
Im happy you wont be anywhere near a negotiation table
You assume that they care about any threats to Moscow itself. I'm sure they're on the priority list for Moscow's deepest bunkers.
Musk threatening to pull Starlink out of Ukraine unless the pentagon picks up the bill - company can no longer afford to supply terminals and service to Ukraine free of charge.
Could just be Musk throwing the toys out of the pram after the abuse he got from Ukrainian officials
Musk is talking out of two sides of his mouth..
It was a facetious reply to a ridiculous suggestion, highlighting the simple fact that a "negotiated settlement" is really a code word for Ukrainian capitulation and Russian reward, and turning that on its head. But you knew that.
This inspired me to look up the actual Russian National Anthem in English - spoiler alert, a complete dirge.
I also looked up the meaning of the colours on the Russian flag... the BLUE stands for HONESTY
In theory that all sounds good but in the real world thats not going to happen, not a chance any Russian President is going to sign up to that, Putin or otherwise, lets be realistic.
Crimea with water flowing perhaps will be the golden bridge that allows him to say job done. Ukraine wont rest until Mariupol is back in their hands after the Azov defenders stuff of legends. I think once Mariupol and Kherson are back in UKR hands the international pressure to negotiate will be too hard to resist.
Afterwards, support to arm themselves to the teeth and maybe a defensive league of eastern EU states, a mini NATO perhaps, if they are not let into NATO, so the Russian scum cannot come back a few years later will be order of the day.
Russia might just not have a whole load of choice when it comes to an eventual settlement. That's if they keep heading down the road they're set on. Losers take terms and accept them, not set them.
Your missing the point, Russia can never be fully defeated unless you are contemplating nuclear wipeout, thus there will never be reparations etc, they will just give the finger from behind their nuclear protected borders.
Throw in the Six Counties as well - that'll seal the deal and sort out the 'Irish' question once and for all!! Win, win.
And the white apparently symbolises peace...
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