That's what I thought. I'd be surprised if there aren't some, perhaps many, Tory MPs who would vote to bring down the government. It's a shambles and I'm not sure that the rank-and-file aren't tired of it. Plus, they might get to escape the mess while Labour has to sort it out for the next years.
But, expecting any politician anywhere to put country over party is a fools hope on my part.
They are about as humiliated as they are gonna get.
But if the polls were true then it would mean the vast majority of them being out of a job 2 years early
I know it's not official, but if the "mini-budget" get's voted down by the house she's toast. If they can't get a budget through, a vote of no confidence will generally follow.
The Pincer thing was the straw that broke the camel's back. It was by no means an isolated incident.
There is no appetite from anyone, apart from probably the geriatric and wealthy Tory party membership, to have Johnson back in #10.
The Pincher straw was heavy enough to break the camels back because of the serial sexual assaults, it looked like the general mismanagement/incompetence straws could have piled up for a while longer.
There's not much desire for Truss to remain in no.10 but she's still there and will remain until the Tories have a suitable pivot which doesn't involve a GE. Johnson would be such an option, he still has a more of a mandate than Truss. I'm just saying I wouldn't see Johnson returning as totally beyond the bounds of possibility as it is one of the few ways that the Tories can continue in government while denying a democratic deficit. Given the state of things over there right now, I wouldn’t put anything past the Tories in their desperation to hold onto power.
Does any change of leadership in the Tories not need to go to the general membership of the party?
I can see MPs getting rid of Truss but they seem to have no way of ensuring a competent replacement if it again has to go to a vote of the general membership. A daft system
May did not go to the party.
If the MPs oust Truss, then have an election with only one candidate, that is it.
but i think this is the fundamental problem of the party they dont want a competent prime minister ... they have pushed themself into a corner and a bit like putin, they prefer to go down further rather than to change direction ,at least truss is honest about that it was never about leveling up .
More unpopular than Johnson was at the end, already; maybe in her efforts to cosplay as Thatcher, Truss decided to just fast-track things to the Poll tax period.
I see the blathering has started early, Truss hiding behind global issues and energy bills.
Will any serious and senior figure in the Tories have the balls to stand up and call out the Brexit Trussonomics sham for what it is, before it reduces GB to penury and an IMF bailout?
Michael Gove it seems is leading the charge. He has already said he will vote against the budget and he is going to the party conference and will be holding some fringe events. Obviously only a backbencher now, but still a serious figure
the Tory party chairman’s confirmation that MPs opposing the budget will lose the whip seems to have wound up many MPs even more…..the sentiment being that they’re being told to put Liz Truss’ interests ahead of the nation’s.
I see Sunak has zoomed in from nowhere to be bookies' favourite for next Tory leader. Has he been hinting at an alternative course of action?
No, hasn't said a word since the leadership outcome. He isn't even going to the Conference, to give Truss "the clear agenda she deserves". Enough rope to hang herself more like.
But no, Sunak spent the leadership hustings warning and warning and warning about Truss would do to the economy, immediately and without circumspection and of course he was 100% right.
If I were him though and someone came and asked him to run, I'd tell them to **** off.
Winter is going to be devastating for a lot of people here. It makes sense for anyone wanting the leadership to wait until the new year.
Truss is a poor man's Margaret Thatcher tribute act. She has no record on which to command respect it admiration, just a series of gaffes and volte faces. Now, she has shown her true colours.
I can't see her lasting six months. Hopefully, we get a general election soon so we can boot this lot out.
Gove is an interesting one alright, but as an ardent Brexiter himself, you'd wonder how much credibility he has to drag policy back to the centre.
However, he is retiring from Parliament next time out, so maybe he is the guy to scorch the earth without any personal concerns.
Sometimes tribute acts aren't that bad but what Truss has achieved in such a short space of time is just stunning. If the death of the Queen hadn't gotten in her way she could probably have reduced the country to ashes by now.
What's happening over there continues to amaze me. I don't say that lightly btw.
Sky have it that Truss is not now going to remove the 45p tax rate. In other words, a 180 U Turn.
Kwarteng cannot possibly remain in post in those circumstances. She blamed him for the decision yesterday, now she's overriding him on a cornerstone policy matter that she herself advocated during the leadership campaign.
He'll surely be gone by the end of the day and she now has feet of clay. Maybe she'll survive Conference, but not much longer.
Bunch of amateurs.
So Kwarteng announces that he will drop the removal of the 45% tax rate less than 24hrs after Truss backed the policy. If the U turn wasn't damaging enough, it has happened in a way which makes Truss look even worse.
Unelected Tory party donor and Somerset Capital Management business partner of JRM has been given a peerage and appointed minister in the Cabinet Office and the Department for International Trade.
So obviously things are getting back to normal in London!
The popularity of that higher tax rate in the UK may just encourage our government to introduce a similar tax rate here.
More cuts incoming...
Only a Sinn Féin Government (propped up by PBLSPSPL) would introduce a rate higher than the current 40%.
Only new rate we'll see here is probably 30%, sometime before the 2025 election.
Senior Tory donors already have Truss out the door, Sunak and Mordaunt favourites.
However its pretty unlikely that yet ANOTHER change of Tory leader and PM would be acceptable to anyone accept a few Tories and so an election is now very possible.
Yes, technically, there doesn't HAVE to be one, but Truss just found out what having no mandate means and King Charles could make a serious name for himself by saying, '**** the lot of you, I'm dissolving Parliament and letting the People decide'.
That'd be sweet justice for banning him from travelling to COP26.
Sinn Fein and the Tories are the same!
The public in Britain aren't in favour of their monarch getting involved in politics. He's unelected and lives a privileged life. They're happy once he opens hospitals and brings in tourism.
Unelected you say?
I saw a bit of Conservative arithmetic on twitter.
-45p = +p45
Maybe Kamakasi Tarteng and Ms Truss should follow it.
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I wonder will Labour do anything about this stuff when they get in.
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