Lol, if history teaches us anything... They won't.
What is it with these Facebook Putinbots.
Every one of their pages I visit they have anti EU and anti government pictures and slogans, yet are all still living in Ireland.
Like if you really hate the west so much just go and live in Russia????
That lad's perplexed when not out and out lying. Maybe he'll ask his Ukrainian lady friends to explain it to him. If they exist.
I give you...
They hate the West and very much have protected rights afforded to them by us .
Sergiy Kyslytsya Ukrainian ambassador to the UN warn us about trosian horses only the other day,
The Eu needs to go through a full derussafication ,no students ,no retiree's,no vacations ,no employment, no rights afforded.
Good article here on Ukraine's abundance of natural gas and rare earth minerals. It ranks fourth globally in terms of total assessed value of natural resources and Putin wants all of it.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/natural-resources-ukraine-war-1.6467039
If you were his speech writer, what would you have said?
India will be happy with a weakened russia for cheap oil and gas. China are waiting for military and putins downfall before annexing Siberia themselves. The strength of the US and weakness of Russia whole has probably moved China away from Taiwan and towards Eastern Russia
Another idea this Russian state stole from the Nazi's.
Most people think of Vladimir Putin's background as a KGB agent and the number of opponents falling out of windows lately certainly speaks to that.
What most casual observers don't know is that Putin has a law degree where he specialized in international trade. Secondly, he earned a PhD in economics while writing his thesis on: "Strategic Planning of the Reproduction of the Mineral Resource Base of a Region under Conditions of the Formation of Market Relations"
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"He sees Russia’s mineral resources as the only 'hard currency' that ensures not only the economic and political security but also the very survival of Russia. Mineral resources are the ultimate insurance for overcoming any crisis, and they represent a disaster contingency plan."
As a matter of interest, would you be in favour of the Republic annexing the six counties of NI and claiming them as ours?
But have they recognised this declaration of annexation as valid - that is the question. And a very different matter.
Round them up and throw them out.
Putin's former speechwriter reveals his mental state - N1 (n1info.com)
Bolsonaro won't be around long more so would be harsh on the Brazilians.
Canonfodder
I love a good rant on board's.
Obviously you're on the side of eye for an eye. You cannot see the implications of war between East and West if it broke out.
I get it you haven't experienced war nor have you been on a battle field. It's not like a game of swinging dick's on board's.You're out there in the elements, your back is killing you, your knee's are sore you're lugging around a backpack and limited slugs . Your socks are sweaty for days, you stink. You're wet, probably pissed your pants a few times, your arse is sticky. You're back on the cigarettes.
Sitting for hours watching a location with binoculars, the things are getting foggy. You want to sleep but you have to stay up. You hear something in the distance. Not sure it's friendly or not.
You're **** into a hole and trying to balance yourself in the rain.
There's guys on both sides experiencing this while you post from your self imposed the oh I'm such a wise one here on board's.
Were you ever in a building where there's rats the size of a cat sniffing at your feet while trying to sleep. And it's something like what you'd see at a replica of an iron age settlement . And you've no other choice.
Coming home to your friends and they knowing you're shell shocked, and on edge.
No doubt you'll say I've been reading too much bravo 2 zero or something. But you were never there , and hopefully never will.
Well you're using their fatalities to get a point across, your pathetic musings aren't that harmless either.
And all of that horribleness can be easily avoided by Putin's forces deciding to pack up and f*ck off back home to Russia. 👍️
So... 👏👏 Get going, lads.
That's what I'm saying. I think they should all lay down their arms and have a cease fire and come to an agreement.
I don't think an all out war would be favourable.
Very interesting question!
I'd have included a section on claiming the moon for Russia, and announced a mission to carve a huge hammer and sickle on to the face of it. Why not go all out? I'd also have more sense than to criticise the US for bombing Nazi Germany when I'm trying to justify myself though the (warped) lens of bombing "Nazi Ukraine". Maybe that line was supposed to sow some doubt and dissent in Germany, but I don't think it hit the mark. On that note, I don't think he mentioned Nazis in Ukraine at all today (or maybe I missed it), so it seems he's moved on from that being the main justification for the invasion.
But seriously, yeah, I guess a strongman leader doesn't have any choice but to double down on the strongman rhetoric. I am actually surprised that he didn't dwell more on the concept that any attack on the so-called annexed regions was an attack on Russia. He seems to be leaving it to his proxies to expressly say that and the consequent threats of nuclear retaliation or deterrent. So in a way he actually held back a bit. I think it's telling that despite the extreme ideological tone of his speech, there were no ultimatums. It really leaves us with business as usual, but with a sinister twist, rather than the immediate escalation on the ground that many were expecting.
No, but the Chinese in particular would make you a bit sick. Listened to some of the UN link Gatling posted, and their man at the UN security council was referring to the Ukraine "crisis", started blaming some nebulous "bloc confrontations" and "sanctions" (presumably on Russia) for escalating it further (and causing China "concern"). He also implied UN Security Council is biased and making the "crisis" worse. At least they seem to have jitters and second thoughts when it comes to backing Russia fully (never thought Russia/Putin would ever need it probably...edit: Ukraine was meant to be well defeated by now,Zelensky fled, dead, starring in a show trial/gulag-ed and new Putin puppets installed).
Hopefully they will, but I feel a lot of posters aren't really interested in that kind of discussion.
It's easy to post here and do other posters thinking for them and come to all kinds of scenarios.
Asking questions isn't hard,or asking someone what do they mean or how did they come to a conclusion.
I'm telling you one thing, most of them wouldn't have it in them to go out in the rain for a few hours, let alone a hike in the rain during the winter.
The biggest issue is the Russians won't lay down their arm's,the agreement Russia wants involved the Zelensky government surrendering to Russia for trials for crimes committed against Russians , the formation of a pro russian government, never Allowed to join the eu or Nato.
Then dispanding and disarming of the Ukrainan military and the allowing the permanent basing of Russian troops to protect Ukraine from foreign invaders.
This is the deal putin wants
I hear you,I'm starting to learn more about the conflict. It was interesting listening to the UN this evening.
So you've observed he wants the Ukraine to join a Russian federation and accomplish more power.
Meanwhile the Ukraine has some of the most fertile lands in the world. It's starting to make sense now what's going on.
There's a hell of a lot of variables.
Given Putin's rhetoric, I'm not sensing that he's in the mood for some kind of middling compromise, but if he were to have a change of heart and outline the following provisions
I could certainly see a way to negotiate around these types of provisions. Neither side gets all of what they want, but some of what they want, and that's called compromise. Sadly, the first lot of negotiations didn't seem as though there was much leeway for any of these. I don't know if Russia's mood has gotten any more amenable towards discussing any of them in good faith.
All those against the motion to condemn the annexations in Ukraine raise your hand .
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Motion dead
You've conceded that I got a point across.
Hopefully listening to the UN this evening, he'll have a good idea he's on his own.
Yes you got me there, point accepted. I'm not going to argue with you. No point. You posted a more convincing post than I.
I'm not being a smart ass, I need a kick in the arse now and again. When I'm put in my place I'll accept it 👍
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