What kinda agreement do you think will stop all of this .
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The Consulate General of Russia in New York today
Couldn't happen to a more deserving consulate.
I find the whole situation baffling. Some people are still saying he'd never use even a tactical nuclear weapon but he's backed himself into an absolute corner now.
If he'd withdrawn Russian forces earlier and fed the country a big spoon of propaganda, like the special operation to "liberate" couldn't win because the might of NATO and the US were behind Ukraine, and he had to prioritize Russian lives, he'd at least hold onto power even though his personal legacy would be ruined.
By continuously escalating he's left himself very little options. I don't know how we could say he'd never use a tactical nuke when the man's just signed a decree annexing territories which are not only unstable, but in which Ukraine is making active inroads and only getting stronger.
To the Russian spectator who buys into the new glorious greater Russia, Ukraine will now be conquering Russia itself. Putin knows this, of course.
So he's either totally naive as to how well his army can hold the line indefinitely against a Ukraine that'll only get stronger as the Russian army and economy gets utterly ravaged, or he's ready to take the ultimate gamble and escalate even further.
It's hard to believe it's the first one. Equally it's hard to see how he could think the second option would bring anything other than the absolute destruction of Russia, literally on the battlefield, and in the wider sense in terms of the countrys economy and international standing.
It is baffling. It's impossible to know what his playbook is at this stage.
Reminds me of the early Covid thread.
I don't know, but I'm sure those guys on both sides need to sit down and have a talk about it.
I haven't seen any side suggest a get together somewhere neutral and put principles before personalities.
For Christ sake we don't need an all out war between east and west over a piece of land.
What does grenpilot make of this ?
In that case, i'll ring the Orc embassy on Monday and offer them Ireland in exchange for getting out of Ukraine 2012.
UN security council meeting on the pipeline sabotage
I'll get there ;)
Russia are hemorrhaging troops. About 2 or 3 thousand a week and their economy can't stand up much longer. The west should increase support and at least hold the lines. Russia will collapse.
Odd would make easy target practice. I thought bombers delivering Nukes was obsolete due to current missile tech. Brits retired theirs in favour of cruise was it not. I know the USA still have them but thats legacy I think and more lightly to be used for carpet bombing or MOAB ? If I think outside the box maybe they could fill them with dirty bombs for when there shot down ?
It is not about a piece of land. If the west backs down tyrants everywhere will be emboldened. Democracy will be shattered and we will have surrendered to the bully out of cowardice. No surrender.
It's just the same love of military parades that was the hallmark of the Soviet Union.
Did you read a translation of his speech, it was packed with the same bolloxology that you would hear in a Marxist student Union.
@bad2thebone
Tell that to Putin. He's the one introducing the idea of deploying nuclear weapons to defend lands that Russia unilaterally recognises as its own territory. If Putin finds that the nuclear threat works, then there's nothing to stop him using it again and again. It's not like fear of nuclear armageddon goes up and down with the stock market - it'll be pretty consistent and so could be relied upon as a future bargaining chip.
There's a rational argument to say that no piece of land is worth the kind of hell that could be unleashed if Russia and NATO had an all out confrontation, but this argument infers that Putin could demand to become world king tomorrow and the world would have to allow it or else become an irradiated wasteland where anyone left alive will surely envy the dead.
A piece of land!!!!! Really is that all the sovereignty of an independent country is to you
Russia at the UN just blamed the massacre on their territory in Zaporizhzhia on the Ukrainans
"I agree to fúck off out of Ukraine and never come back. And by the way, those areas are Ukrainian - I was only messing.
Lots of love,
Vladdykins"
The death toll after the Russian strike on a convoy in Zaporizhia has risen to 30, and the victims are 88, — National Police
Among the dead are two children: an 11-year-old girl and a 14-year-old boy. A three-year-old girl was also injured.
....just a bit of land, no other issues of any importance.
Shocking...
But according to the Russians it happens on their territory and the attack was carried out by Ukraine
Heavy breathing.
It’s all totally nuts.
I think one key thing about his speech today is that Putin hardly mentioned Ukraine at all, but kept talking about the US and the West. His framing is that Russia may be fighting in “the area previously known as Ukraine”, but they are not fighting Ukraine itself - they’re fighting the US, NATO, the EU, the West. This reduces the embarrassment of losing “Russian land” to their relatively tiny neighbour that isn’t even supposed to exist. I don’t think this is him setting the stage for an excusable defeat by a formidable foe, but it is allowing him to justify any action domestically as his supporters will recognise that how ever might they think Russia is, the enemy NATO is not to be underestimated.
He’s framing the war not as the land-grab it really is, but as an ideological last stand against what he actually started to describe in the speech as Satanism. By unspoken contrast, that puts him on the literal side of God. In Christian belief, God ultimately can’t lose, but any and every sacrifice is required to be on the side of victory. He’s softening Russia up more and more sacrifices.
It’s noteworthy that the tone of the speech and document signing ceremony was not one of victory and hope, which one would usually expect from a country fulfilling what it sees as its destiny in regaining its territorial integrity. Rather it was an exceptionally defensive, somber, paranoid affair, concentrating entirely on the danger of powerful enemies. Truly unprecedented and unbelievable stuff.
A few nice scones might cheer everyone up.
I've just read that the fatalities from the civilian convoy that was HIT BY MISSILES have increased.
Your harmless musings are pathetic.
They aren't just fighting over a piece of land.
Russia are slaughtering civilians, trying to overturn the international order and revert to the rule of might is right, with a playbook copied from the Nazis in Sudetenland.
Your posts are nothing more than morally and intellectually bankrupt exercises in weasel words, in a blatant attempt to draw some sort of 'both sides' moral equivalence between Ukraine and Russia.
Very astute analysis. It wasn't quite as insane and desperate as Goebbels "total war" speech, but not that far off it. The words of a man truly unhinged...
Tens of trillions of dollars of natural resources in the land he has stolen. Is army isn’t up to it so he has to threaten nukes to hold it.
Descendants in whatever becomes of Russia will look back at this photo and wonder "How the fcuk did they ever allow this plastic faced dwarf become dictator of Russia?"
And his army isn't up to it because his country is corrupt from top to bottom just like him. He set the standard for everyone else to follow. As ye sow, so shall ye reap, etc...
But yet he still has the ability to kill civilians unopposed in Ukraine,
He can keep this up for years
Putin is showing no signs of backing down unfortunately. No reverse gear 😥
China , India , Brazil and Gabon refused to condemn the annexation at the UN . maybe it's time to end student visas from china, Brazil and India to here and the EU
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