They are about as humiliated as they are gonna get.
That's what I thought. I'd be surprised if there aren't some, perhaps many, Tory MPs who would vote to bring down the government. It's a shambles and I'm not sure that the rank-and-file aren't tired of it. Plus, they might get to escape the mess while Labour has to sort it out for the next years.
But, expecting any politician anywhere to put country over party is a fools hope on my part.
Theres 2 kinds of no confidence votes, one in the House of commons and one within the parliamentary party, the former will bring down a government if passed, the latter will only remove the leader of a party and start a new leadership contest like the one that just happened.
The use of "turbo charge" is a píss-boilingly annoying term, as if with one swoop an economy can be fixed by slashing income tax.
Sunk Cost says otherwise and they'll grind out something from Truss' leadership soon than admit they balls'ed it up. It would also, basically humiliate the UK in front of every ally and partner. While making the clamour for a general election something that couldn't be ignored; not one, not two - but three PMs broadly unelected and unsupported by the population?
So, there's no way for the government to fall then? I thought there could be a no confidence vote in the Government.
It is not who is there, but who is not.
Yeh, the conference will be a joke. It’ll be overwhelmingly party members, with many MPs staying away. So it’ll give the veneer of support for Truss….all the usual footage or a clapping crowd. It’ll be tightly stage managed and wouldn’t expect to see any meaningful sign of discontent amongst attendees
It has been obvious for the whole leadership campaign that Truss was totally incompetent and has none of the required skills to be a senior minister, let alone the Prime Minister.
What needs to happen is a quick No Confidence vote against Truss and a quick leadership campaign with only one candidate - Sunak.
That would solve the issue - if it is quick.
Still leaves Labour ahead though.
There was a quote from a source close to Sunak that he was going to let Truss "own the space". I'm sure he sees himself as part of the solution to Truss but keeping his powder dry for now and knows he needs to pick his time.
The polling is so bad that it might actually protect Truss. As damaging as she is, no Tories will want a GE any time soon because they will be all but wiped out. Could they try to bring Boris back and claim that he still has a mandate? It is probably the only half legitimate way for them to carry on.
It was Pincher thing that brought him down, not one of the many incidents of malpractice and general contempt for just about everything. Pincher can be swept under the carpet and many still support Boris, memories are short and his reign seems successful compared to the current shitshow. We all know he is game. I'd say there are plenty of people who would be happy for Boris, along with Sunak, to be reinstated and pretend that Truss never happened.
No, that would possibly give Labour 500 plus seats.
The Tories have whooped for joy since Friday thinking they have outmanoeuvred the Scottish Government on matching the Tory tax cuts - looks like Sturgeon will not follow suit
the Tory conference isn’t like labour and Lib Dem conference. The others vote on party politics and their collective position on key matters…..it’s more interactive. The tories just do speeches and it makes no difference who is there. Michael Gove apparently has a conference session, which is anticipated to be VERY well attended by the press!!
Rishi Sunak, Sajid Javid, David Davis and Mel Stride (who?) have all said they aren't going to Tory Conference and I know articles at start of month said Johnson wasn't going either so several familiar faces won't be there.
Take a drink every time someone mentions Ukraine, or vaccines and you'll need a stomach pump within minutes.
I saw on Nick Ferrari's show on LBC the logic being the SME groupings are supportive of the budget so I suspect that'll be the angle taken. Growth!
Wonder do they still intend scrapping all those EU rights ; cos if they thought it was bad now...
Can't see the West Country go that red but have felt for a while now that the latest wave of people to leave London to the home counties were gonna "red wall" style change the demographics in the commuter belt.
Conferences are sadly too controlled now best we will get is empty seats. Sadly the "you can have Boland" conferences are long gone
The Tory party conference next week is going to be a barrel of laughs.
Even assuming it won't hold as a trend, there has to be some serious discussions happening behind the scenes. This can't have been forecast by even the pessimists.
But what does Truss do? Rollback the tax cut insanity and it causes instability and weakens her government - irreparably so. Step down and suddenly the UK becomes exactly the unstable democracy many mock (say) Italy as being. Power on through with this mini-budget, and if the trends do stick - we're talking political Armageddon never seen in history AFAIK. Liz Truss the one who killed the Tories. Oh wait, that sounds good to me.
Christ, and the full budget is still to come, right?
poll results translated in seats. Now I doubt this will be the case because it’s from a poll but even if it’s remotely like this it’s going to be a landslide for labour.
Significantly more. It absolutely won't happen, but this is sub 100 MPs for Con territory.
Hope so. But FPTP electoral boundaries I think strongly favour the conservatives
Presume that would give rise to a 1997/2001-scale overall majority for Starmer?
This won't help with those disgruntled MPs
Truss doesn't even have a mandate from a bunch of her own MPs never mind the public..
Truss has absolutely no mandate (certainly not for what she is doing) but scrapes by as the continuity candidate. A continuity continuity candidate would be pushing it too far.
I think it would be very difficult for Truss' successor, should she end up getting the boot, to claim they have any sort of mandate given they'd be PM #3 and given the enormous shift in position of the UK economy since they last won an election.
Truss, I think, can just about claim to have a mandate, though it's tenuous IMO as her plans are quite different to the tory manifesto.
Why would her replacement be under any more pressure to have an election than she is under?
She didn't win an election herself after all.
Yeah and the next PM would be under pressure because of liz Truss. I’ve listened to a few of the interviews she did this morning and it was painful.
She’s meant to be the prime minister and of the ones I’ve heard she sounded like a government minister here on late debate except worse. There was one interview where the pause was so long I was worried the radio station emergency tape was going to kick in.
And also the rate of borrowing went up as she was talking. It’s amazing that someone makes boris Johnson look competent.
Liz isn't going anywhere from what I can see. Her replacement would be under pressure to have an election, an election the Tories seem likely to lose. They're stuck with her now.
Labour is the now the party of the markets.
Amusing interview on LBC:
""You took the pound to an all time low - what’s failure in your book?" asked Nick."
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