Think of it like Cortes and burning the ships.
If Putin was afraid of anyone getting jittery and wanting to oust him and pull out of Ukraine and turn the gas back on, that's off the table now.
If it was Putin who blew the pipes, it could very well be a 'there's no going back moment'
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Well it was up in the Norwegian goverment to ban taking in Russians,Finland have made it allready,so i guess the rest will follow
It's already been done, read back through the thread from earlier today.
According to Russian sources, Ukrainian forces are attempting to break through between Yampil and Tortske.
According to Liveuamaps, there's only one road in the area that is capable of cutting the Russian forces. If Ukraine actually take Yampil, or by-pass most of it (blue line) as the map suggests, then the Russians (red line) at Lyman can be cut off.
Both Russians and Ukrainians have made a lot of noise about encirclements, or cauldrons. But so far neither side have been actually able to execute a complete encirclement without the other side withdrawing.
Do the Russians withdraw from Lyman while they still can, or do they try to dig in and fight, but risk being cut off. Seems like we will find out in the next 48 hours.
They're losing a lot of cash from Europe will the stream been destroyed, just doesn't add up that he would do it himself imo
Looking at more videos of the barracks the Russians are mobilising to for training and having the lols.
They don't even have running toilets or water. They obviously won't be doing training with equipment because there is none left over.
They'll basically just run the socks off them, give them a quick show and tell of how to use equipment (if they are lucky) and by the time they get to Ukraine in a few weeks they'll be absolutely mentally broken and worn out. BEFORE they get to Ukraine 🤣
They obviously had a mobilization contingency already in place, like most places do. But it seems like the places they were to go to have been abandoned for years.
No they are not, no gas was flowing through it so no income. It is simple, a false flag operation to try and blame USA and bring the Russian people in behind him. The Russian people rising up and overthrowing him is his biggest fear
Go on, put a dollar amount on the amount of cash they were getting from NS2, which hadn't even been commissioned, and NS1, which the Russians themselves completely shut off in August.
Then put a dollar amount on the amount of cash Russia is wasting on the invasion itself, and the amount of cash they're loosing from sanctions, and tell us how financial acumen is the driving force behind Russia's actions.
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Or more lightly striped and sold off when no one is looking. Why pay utilities when you can trouser the money.
Can someone clear something up for me:
The damaged pipeline was holding gas, it wasn't flowing as it's tapped off by Russia.
But my understanding of Gas production is that it's hugely expensive and dangerous to store so when you've tapped it you've gotta have a home for it.
My question is: has Russia blown the pipeline in order to release the gas from the gas fields?
I thought of that too but probably easier to vent it near the wells. I think they may have run into issues shutting down well heads maybe some kind of over pressure and only option to blow the pipe ? not a well expert.
but more lightly just blew the pipe
What leverage? The Europeans that had been buying Russian gas have made it clear they wanted to move to alternatives and Russia has made this happen faster with its repeated technical faults and surprise routine maintenance making the supply through these pipelines completely unreliable.
I've no evidence to back it up but the most likely reason for the pipes being blown up is as an act of terrorism and the country blatently engaging in terrorism in Europe since the start of the year is Russia. A conspiracy by the USA makes no sense when the war in Ukraine is going as well as could be expected in terms of destroying russia's military and making it quite clear to the world how evil and inhumane they are.
If they needed to vent the gas for safety reasons, they'd open valves specifically designed for such purposes and tell people about it, not blow up the pipes under the sea in someone else's Exclusive Economic Zone and then blame others.
And you believe the USA blew the pipelines that were not in use to stop them being used? Rather than attacking a NATO members critical infrastructure in another members waters, the US could have just sanctioned Gazprombank.
I'm not familiar with the Tony Blair quote but from the media I have seen it does look like Russia is getting fairly desperate. The wars they have been involved in since Putin has been in charge were against countrys without an organised and properly equipped army up until this year and now they are the ones going to fight with the less organised and more poorly equipped troops and with the atrocities that they have inflicted on the Ukraininan people I don't expect the Ukranians soldiers to be very forgiving.
If gas was entering the pipe line, but was shut off at other end, then like a balloon it was going to pop eventually. Not saying that's what happened, but it's what would happen in that case.
Gas sales to Europe in terms of the Russian economy are quite small, in terms of the European economy,it is peanuts.
Without it though, it's a big cost to Europe.
There is no circumstances in which that pipeline was ever going to be used again by Russia or European countries.
Ok, lets say this now and put it to bed.
The United States. Nor any other NATO or EU Member. Did not. Puncture, blow up, or otherwise sabotage. That pipeline.
Ok?
There would have been sensors at multiple points along the pipeline. If what you say is true then these would have been screaming long before the ruptures.
Pressure in the pipe is constantly monitored, if russia decided to feed into it, then relief valves would be opened to release pressure.
All 4 pipes appeared to have "popped", one of them in two locations (when the pressure would have been dropping).
I don't think so that would have been designed in there is only so much psi it could generate in the pipe more lightly bang on the other end. And that would not explain seismographs picking it up. The pipe would rupture at one point not multiple you would not really get any seismic issues would be a small bang and then gas replacing water to vent out.
Watching Simon Coveney on the news tonight and he was having to button his lip and be very diplomatic but you could see that he thought Russia was behind the incident, even though he couldn't even imply who the culprit was.
Thats true,but its within range of Ukraines artillery too now
Sweden have mastered this over many years and have mobile fuel and maintenance vehicles for that purpose alone.
The first thing thats targeted in an attack will be crucial infrastructure like Airports
I believe Taiwan is using same
I really cant see the USA being involved, way to many risks for them if they got found out, all just so they can make a few dollars on LNG? Nah I dont think so.
However I was also sceptical that Russia would have blown the pipe when the story first broke. Just didnt make any sense for them to self harm one of their bargaining chip.
But one thing thats got me thinking is if maybe Putin was getting any pressure from anyone about the loss of revenue from it. Maybe it is his way of saying nope ill nip this in the bud now and just blow them, slightly different tactic than just having people suicide out of windows.
I think they have all been told not to give the Russians any propaganda wins. See the west blames us and alike. Would make sense.
Not a fan of Coveney but if he's zipping the lip doing a good job imop.
He very nearly implied Russia was responsible at one point but managed to correct himself in time and make it sound like he wasn't blaming anyone in particular. But you could just tell who his prime suspect is (and I'm sure this is based on numerous conversations with western allies).
It appears that the Donbas front line is collapsing, what will Putin do to halt the Ukrainian advance deep into the territory?
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