I suppose if you think about it, if this had happened AND we weren't trying to offset carbon emissions, it would be even worse.
Still, really bloody frustrating alright. Such an absolute waste of a resource too, especially when we're all bloody freezing!
Well the first step is to make a choice and rebel against the current regime - off with their heads.
What comes after may be unpredictable but hardly much worse than the current administration.
If the current Kremlin won't climb down and back out of this war, someone will have to make them - either their own public or via destructive war.
He’d swamp the regions with his billion man army and 3 million tanks.
I presume the hundreds of millions of euros per day into Russia is now well and truly stopped ?? And that they are now well and truly fucked?
The oft quoted scene of enemy at the gates with two men to one rifle was at a time when the command economy and US lend lease was in full swing.
They have neither in this war.
They know there is fifty countries actively against them at what point do they come to their senses??
Didn't big uncle Joe tell us he could get it done, though? With a wink and a nod...
The timing is interesting.
If it was the US, they're playing a very dangerous and risky game. As the Chinese proverb says, the man who chases two rabbits catches neither.
Is anyone enjoying the Russian current affairs show that has been doing the rounds here ? I'm finding it all strangely addictive, and I think I'm developing a bit of a crush on Madame Olga, the way lonely women write loveletters to serial killers in jail... Seriously though, the tone of the show has gone from a solomn we-have-a-job-to-do to near evangeligcal mania for death and destruction. I watched a guy yesterday who was salivating over the spectacle of a mushroom cloud seen from Mexico (he must be a flat-earther), and while he was having his patriotic seizure, the split screen to the left of him was showing a hyperspeed montage of rockets taking off and.... mushroom clouds ! I have to take a leap of faith that the subtitles are accurrate but the whole thing is becoming totally bizarre. It reminds me of the TV interludes from Robocop, which I awlays thought were too broad to be believable but not so it seems....
Granted, but 'support' does not mean much when they have no other options. Support can only have meaning in a proper democracy where people are not constantly lied to. There was a time when they were marching in the streets against Putin. A census in Russia does not have much more meaning than a census in Kherson.
They live in a society that had 70 years of communism.
Nearly every one of them will have had a grand parent or Uncle etc who was disappeared, never to be seen again, where the most innocent remark was enough to have you killed.
A friend of mine is married to a Russian, his Grandfathers were both disappeared.
And you expect people there to be in open revolt against a man who wants to return to the glory of the Soviet Union,roll back what openess there is in Russian society, while his troops fly the hammer and sickle on their tanks.
You can't blame them for laying low when they know what even voicing disagreement can mean.
I like the proverb.
But I don't think USA did it for reasons that other posters have already outlined
I think this is from early in the war-
Lavrov a couple of weeks ago in UN:
If a country wants to be independent or join another country, we must respect that decision.
A couple of months from now, some eastern Russian state decides to join china or declares Independency..
Lavrov: (surprised Pikachu face)
Special sailing operation. Surprised it hasnt got more attention. Will be interesting to see how the "it had to be America" crowd will try and spin that one. That being said the whole situation is a shitshow and anyone here that "knows" with certainty who did it could do with relaxing a little bit and wait until the official investigation has released a report. Before that it's just pure speculation and shows how susceptible you are to your own confirmation bias. Something we all need to be aware of especially these days.
Wow that's grim. Really fucked up seeing a BTR opening up on a car at a minute and a half in. What were these lads actually thinking they were doing if not just massacring civilians?
Maybe re-read what I said before commenting on my confirmation bias. Especially the second sentence.
Wasn't referring to you, I was speaking generally. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
To me it’s all the more reason to rise up. To stop what occurred over the 70 years repeating itself.
Which could totally happen... the war is spilling out so widely now, those former Soviet republics must be thinking they could be next. It's interesting to consider China right now, because if I have it right, they, unlike N.Korea and Syria have yet to recognize the annexations as legal. When the Russia duma declares it all signed, sealed and delivered next week, will Beijing still maintain its position on respecting and safeguarding the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries ? The international condemnation will surely be impossible to ignore.
What we do know is that it was State actors, we know from the Danish that it was a very large explosion.
We know that Russia was never going to restore flow and Europe is now committed to not using Russian gas so a pipeline that would never be used again , Which is no longer being maintained a scheduled by Russia's Gazprom was blown up.
Who would benefit from targeting a now relic pipeline?
We'll learn more in time.
No problem. Apologies for the defensiveness then.
Polish ambassador's interview on RTE radio 1.
https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/clips/22151034/
The Chinese were a great bunch of lads for the oul proverbs. They also said, "It is easy to open a shop - the hard part is keeping it open" and "guessing is cheap, but guessing wrong can be expensive."
I get your point but it is easier to do that in a free society and while Putin's Russia is much freerer and open and gentle compared to the Soviet Union the population there are so beat down it will take a lot.
That's not to say that they will not, in time.
They are a very tough people.
Well, at least we can hope these 'brave soldiers' are by now rotting somewhere fertilizing Ukrainian soil.
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And another one: Talk does not cook rice.
Don't you understand; how can you be so completely selfish? This just means we need to double down and over achive in our CO2 mitigation to compensate for these bad people. Come on, if we all pull together, not heat our homes this winter, go cold turkey on using hot water, have the children put down humanely, and increase the carbon taxes by 4000%, we can do this; why, we can probably make up for at least the gas in 2km of that pipeline. I'll miss the kids, but it will be worth it to save the planet and look good.
There's surely enough anti environmentalist threads here?
There is an environmental cost and ultimately a cost to us all from this act of probable sabotage by Russia
As expected Russia has just announced the four Ukrainian regions subject to the sham referendum are to be incorporated into Russia tomorrow.
Ah, FFS! Do you really think the President of the USA stands up in front of the world, tells them that he's going to "stop" NS2 (at a time when half of Europe was calling for it to be stopped), then months after NS2 is actually stopped, he randomly but secretly blows it up inside the Exclusive Economic Zone of an ally, where if he's found out, he risks completely destroying the entire cohesion of Western civilisation as we know it? Some basic critical thinking is required.
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