US isn't flying around tracking its own subs ffs. It's looking for the bad guy's subs. US tracking is very good at that sort of thing and has been for many years.
Now, tracking RuSSian subs would be de rigeur. For all any of us know, there might be Chinese subs there, too.
That's great if you think you've got a firm grasp on what YOU think is or isn't true.
There's plenty of nobody's on the old interweb, who seem to think they're some sort of oracle of knowledge. (they rarely ever are)
I'll make my own mind up, if that's okay with you wibbs? (I'm "quite sure" I know how to do that)
To come back to the Cyprus issue, @greenpilot wrote "Well, it so happens that Forces.net wrote an article 7 days ago, and I quote:......", this is incorrect and has caused all the confusion.
Google for some reason shows the Forces.net article as being written 7 days ago but when you enter the article it was written in 2015, the references to the issues in Ukraine obviously relating to Crimea.
There's plenty of reports of Cyprus banning the Russian Navy since March even before the EU ban and not one single report of them allowing the Russian Navy access or violation of the EU sanctions since, coupled with the US sanctions reversal it is obvious despite their voicing concerns over EU sanctions that they have not allowed any more ships into their ports, the screenshot from the 19th simply shows a vessel off the Cyprus coast, not docked in a Cyprus port.
I wonder how this women can call her self anything regarding childrens or human rights in her title
Surely that would be a stupid thing for the US to do if it was their own sub doing it?
If the US did blow those pipelines, it would be one of their biggest political and military blunders in recent history. And to what end? To piss off their NATO partners, piss off the EU and Europe and Ukraine?
Welcome to Boards.ie.
Just remember, nothing anyone discusses on these pages has any bearing, whatsoever, on the outcome of, well, anything to do with the war.
This an Irish, nondescript discussion forum.
Just thought I'd mention that, seeing that you're "new" and all. :)
Well you know what, it hasnt been said in quite a while, but,
Fcuk Putin.
Given the lack of solid information, at this time, about what exactly happened I think it's unwise to declare for sure that any particular party did it.
Give it time and we'll learn more.
There could be a cascade of surrenders - theoretically at least.
Not if they've decided that diplomacy and negotiation are off the table, that they can't see sanctions lifting any time soon, Europe is looking to others for energy and almost certainly won't look in Moscow's direction for a generation so now Russia is all in. Macron was trying that route with putin directly and it came to naught.
He has now become so angry he will destroy Russia if he can destroy Europe as well. He is well into the psycho zone now.
So it seems the US navy surveillance aircraft flying over the pipeline went dark(transponder off ) for three hours over the same area before reappearing just before the explosions .
The surveillance aircraft is capable of tracking submarines,
Russia have suggested American is responsible via Twitter,
America is keeping stum so far and although some Nations have called for an investigation, others have been less than vocal
Me. Earlier.
You may note I'm no fan of the Yanks sticking their oar in and I reserve the same for Russia. However it makes near zero sense for the Americans to blow those pipelines. The second it got out and it would get out all the US's partners would be very very unhappy. Their alliances with NATO and the EU would be put under serious strain. As I also pointed out it makes little obvious sense for Russia to do it, beyond showing they can, or to sow enough doubt that people believed America did it.
Then again Russia is a clumsy bear, they confiscated their internationally leased aircraft, which was beyond puzzling and well into are they mental territory. They tried a full on invasion and takeover of Ukraine when they could have "just" ploughed all their forces into taking Donbas and spun it as protecting Russian speakers. Maybe with some BS, powerpoint and photos to the UN. In essence, Do an America. There would have been international howling alright but I doubt to nearly the same degree as the shítshow they've since faced. Never mind how it's made them look as a military superpower. That would be bad BTW.
@uniflu1200 Your previous verson of your post was well refuted. So, exactly what are you looking for, other than reasons to post? I note you didn't respond to any of them, waited about a day to repost essentially the same arguments.
So, instead of attempting to deflect this busy and important thread with your victimization shouting, how about you give us your best guess (for the 3rd time) as to what happened to NS1 and NS2, and why?
Here is your first post, followed by some refutations.
So, would you address the refutations?
Oh my gawwwwd - the bot is broken... broken record 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Can someone in the embassy reboot him ? 😅
It answers your question, who would do something stupid. Just because you suggest the answer doesn't then exclude others using it... not sure you understand how debate works.
I guess it's certainly a possibility.
Although, if you'd watched the video in it's entirety, he did actually ask some of those questions. There wasn't any real indication that they were rip offs or necessarily all old stock being sold off. I think in one case, a major Polish clothing brand was still being shipped to Russia.
Something like McDonald's is easier to understand, because they tend to source most of their produce in the specific country that their restaurants are in. So only a small number of things would have been imported for their Russian operations.
That vessel (as per @greenpilot screenshot) was last tracked in Cyprus on 19th Sept. It’s silent since then.
But that is not what happened, I have read back and checked it. You got 1 reply and called that first reply a witch hunt. The other replies came subsequent to the cry of "witch-hunt"?
"I'll say it again, the reasons put forth for Russia blowing up their single greatest trump card, simultaneously destroying all hopes of diplomacy and negotiation, are damned stupid."
Putin do something stupid? How could one make such a ridiculous comment. The buck stops with him, his military is a joke... his biggest weapon was Western weakness (until it wasn't, ooops!).
Next ?
Only two weeks ago the US lifted it's arms embargo on Cyprus on the condition that Cyprus not allow the Russian Navy any access to it's ports.
Nope. No ranting on my side. More bumusement if I were to attach an emotion to it.
Now Ukraine has spun some howlers, Ghost of Kyiv, Zelensky and his missus doing a feckin' Vogue shoot and I'm personally dublous about some of these "intercepted phone calls", but man the Russian spin can be bloody awful. Most of the anti Russian memes write themselves. 😁
And I'm quite sure you've made your mind up.
I took it to be Segal, at first... half a metric ton - check...
Of course they have the means to do so. But tapping into an enemy's communication so you can listen in is vastly different to attacking an allies energy infrastructure (even if its not currently being used) just so that you can ensure one of your energy suppliers can get the extra sales.
The US don't need to do anything to sell more energy to Europe, Russia is achieving that on behalf of the US. Blowing up your freinds gas pipe is a surefire way to stop them being your freinds anymore.
Unless there is some really rogue unit in the US who decided to do this without telling anyone, and they had just taken a large dose of stupid drugs, it wasn't the US.
Does anyone really think the US president would have ordered such an attack on an EU/ NATO ally? Even Trump wouldn't have been that stupid, and neither would the commanders below then giving the orders.
A lot of witch hunting has taken place and many have been found. Have you ever wondered about the title of this thread?
The Bosnian Serb behind the Zoka Twitter account (famous for saying "What air defense doing?") has apparently volunteered for the DPR.
May I ask a simple question? As somebody who has only registered very recently, how would you be aware of the existence or non-existence of what you perceive to be witch hunts on the thread?
The only way I would see that as possible is if you have had a previous account.
Nicos Anastasiades has been very critical of the EUs ban on Russian ships, Cyprus (aswell as Greece and Malta) tried to veto the shipping ban in the Fifth Package of Sanctions, but they still entered force .
In a very recent interview he seemed to imply that Cyprus was happy to not "listen" to the EU:-
if we were to listen to the Brussels bureaucrats, the first to pay the cost will certainly not be Russia and its energy exports but the merchant shipping sectors of Greece, Cyprus and possibly Malta
Oddly enough in March Cyprus initially banned Russian Navy ships before the EU ban, only then to object to the EU ban and once again it seems honor an old agreement.
Just to be clear: The agreements with Russia on the use of the ports for the navy are with the "Greek" part of Cyprus (the Republic of Cyprus) which is unequivocally in the EU.
On a separate, but somewhat related, note, Turkey and Russia have very recently been talking about establishing commercial flights to Northern Cyprus:
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