Why would anyone else bother do it either, and who would be reckless enough to take an action like that?
If it emerges it is not an accident/natural, maybe they needed to get rid of (more of) their gas or something?
They can't store it all and can't sell it now and they don't want to close up the wells I suppose (if that is even possible).
Maybe they are having trouble burning it off or venting it to the air, so they can now discharge it into the sea via the big pipes they have (now) blown holes in if that is what they did + make it Germany's/Denmark's problem.
Russia's leadership (Putin) don't really give a f-ck about anyone else, and there seems to be no bottom there.
What - you do know that Russia shut down NS1 because it had decided to not export gas anymore?
Russia shuts off Nord Stream gas pipeline indefinitely
So it's no loss to blow a repairable hole in something they are no longer are using or need. They are not exporting gas to Europe and probably don't see any prospect of doing so for years, or ever. What did you think Scholz was just doing in the UAE, getting a tan?
Germany secures more gas shipments as Scholz visits Gulf.
They didn't blow up the whole pipeline, they blew a hole in it - the gas is bubbling up in only one place.
The US have absolutely no need to have done this because their objective of those pipelines not being used had already been met.
Yes but all those theories have been plucked from nowhere and are all a bit of a stretch.
There's plenty of reason why others would do it, Russia are one of the few who wouldn't benefit from this in the long run. I just can't see why they would do it.
It has been reported that the damage is quite substantial given the drop in pressure that resulted, obviously the entire pipeline hasn't been blown up.
But why blow it up then if turning the gas off would have the same impact? Why create unnecessary damage and costs, when you can just keep the flow off?
So your saying Russia deliberately sabotaged nordstream as a threat to show what they could potentially do to other pipelines feeding Europe?
Bit extreme as surely it would have made more sense to leave nordstream as a viable gas provider and sabotage the other pipelines leaving Europe with a choice to make?
Yep they have been plucked from my fundament as they are actually the only reason I can think of right now if it is deliberate....unlike you I can't actually see a reason for anyone to be so reckless. I doubt there will be any more gas delivered through those pipelines while Putin is in power whatever happens IMO. Afair, Russia have been venting & burning large amounts of gas since they cut off the supply through the Nordstream (1) pipeline.
There were plenty of enemies for the US to choose from, far more formidable than the Russian military post USSR collapse in the 1990's
I think it was the out and out corruption in Russia that thwarted their efforts to join as opposed to the fact that "It's Russia"
In relation to the Ukraine thing, I think it was only recently that he began to say that, as separatists began to take control/ask for help (I think they are an armed minority as opposed to majority)
It was only just over 30 years ago that Luhansk and Donetsk voted to leave the USSR and form Ukraine with over 83% of the Yes vote and and a rough 65% turnout (Crimea is different 54%, with only 37% turnout) It should also be noted that 55% of ethnic Russians voted for Ukrainian independence.
It actually kinda sends shivers down my spine a bit when I think about how opinions on borders can change (if indeed they have changed) in as little as 30 years. I say that with reference to our own border poll which is now likely to happen in the next 10 years.
They are not exporting gas to Europe and probably don't see any prospect of doing so for years, or ever
What about the Yamal-Europe pipeline, the Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod pipeline etc?
There are at least three, two in NS1 and and one in NS2.
Next you'll be telling me there is no prospect of Russia invading Ukraine or of them ever mobilising or of them using nuclear weapons as a threat.
No one is going to start lobbing nukes at Russia if an LNG tanker semi-mysteriously blows up. Anyway, I don't think it likely until after other cards have been played, like Norwegian piplines springing leaks. It was just an afterthought speculation.
Aye but even if they couldn't continue burning it off (is there a reason why this would be the case), would it not make more sense to address that problem instead of blowing holes in the pipeline?
Links?
To send a threatening message.
Sweden's National Seismology Centre (SNSN) have confirmed they detected explosions on the pipeline.
This putin sure is turning out to be a real jerk
No it definitely wouldn’t
Nato Naval exercise only took place recently
Riiight..
Links to what?
Confirmation that Yamal-Europe and Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod pipelines are still pumping? You won't find any, indeed you won't find any to say they have been shut off either so safe to say they haven't been as that would make the news.
Or the more than one hit?
That's reported pretty much in every piece on the pipelines.
James Waterhouse
Ukraine correspondent
Russian state media has announced the preliminary results of the so-called referendums being held in occupied parts of Ukraine. With about a fifth of votes counted, it is reported that an overwhelming majority have voted in favour of joining Russia:
😅🤣😂
They couldn't even make it 51% 49%, to look some way legit , they went for the 98% lolz😅
The walls are closing in on those stuck defending Lyman. They probably need to flee in the next 24 hours unless they want to be trapped.
The source for this was the pro-Russian Rybar account on Telegram.
No surprises there.
Wonder can they beat the Sevastopol 123% voter turnout when they annexed Crimea.
Some video now emerging of the leaks
Seems the pipeline issue has not had much impact on the Gas market today
Not buying sabotage makes no sense to anyone, even though I did suggest blowing up the pipeline a few months ago,
A rupture could easily been registered as an explosion considering it's a high pressure gas pipeline underwater
What are the chances of an accidental rupture on two seperate pipelines?
I'm no gas expert so I don't know...but it must be pretty unprecedented what is going on in Russia's gas industry now, where they have cut off large amounts of supply to the main customers (as their version of a sanction on the EU) and they can't as far as I understand it do anything else profitable/useful with this gas!
May be a way to get rid of it & dump any environmental hazards and problems etc. on their enemies (as they definitely view us in the EU now, even if some in the EU may not even today have woken up fully to this).
Pipeline was inactive and didnt seem like it would be allowed transit gas to europe anytime soon thats why. However when previously there was a very low chance of it being restarted, now there is 0 chance.
A win for Ukraine, a win for US and other LNG suppliers, a loss for Europe (debatable), a big loss for Putin. he no longer has NS1+2 as leverage over Europe. So why would he blow it?
Three ruptures on two gaslines, that's some coincidence.
That makes sense. The pipelines weren't flowing anyway.
Shame about the environmental damage though.
Like yourself now then?
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