What piece of crap are you talking about?
That's a part of it and another part of it to a large degree is the beady eye, many beady eyes from many countries and positions are on Ukraine as the clearly wounded party and the "good guys" in all this. On the Russian side it's just their eyes, eyes that they vet for "loyalty". Any war crimes by the Ukrainian forces are far more likely to get out and quickly.
I do not agree that wartime propaganda should not be tolerated just because it is propaganda. I am happy to give Ukraine the benefit of the doubt at this moment, but will not extend the same courtesy to Russia, as they are clearly on the side of wrong, here. The priority is to get Russia out of Ukraine. What is and isn't Ukrainian propaganda can be parsed through once that task has been completed, but to ask for it to happen while the war is ongoing is at best a misguided priority and at worst a deliberate tactic to undermine the Ukrainian war effort.
@CeCe12 haven't had much time to verify the background, so your welcome to if you have any doubt.
The half arsed biased article posted by Gatling, allegedly showing the mal treatment of Ukrainian Pow's.
Fair enough, I'm not buying it.
And why has Nato never offered a written in law agreement with Russia. Why are Russia let to live with their paranoia about Nato coming to get them, that is after all why this all started. Seems to me it could all have been avoided if Nato and Russia had a agreement, that it was made clear that Nato's job is to protect, not invade.
You posted that absolute crap, the rest of your posts on this thread have mainly been focused on actual facts. That one was absolute shite and you know it.
Meth mouth?
Delighted to hear about Roger Waters. Although that sanctimonious príck probably thinks he's the real victim now.
Ukraine are operating under the scrutiny of free press while the Russians are not
This is something that cannot be emphasised enough. Ukraine have opened up their country to the world's media. At the same time, Russia introduced laws that made it illegal for the media to report anything contrary to the Kremlin's version of events.
Those two undeniable facts should really make it obvious who is afraid of the truth and who is not. And yet, we still have people who firmly believe that the pro-Kremlin news is "the real truth". It's utterly mind-boggling and a little bit worrying.
There is a discussion going on about the war in Ukraine. Many of us disagree and debate on how that should be prosecuted, what the future shape of Ukraine be, Russias future place in the world. Those genuine contributors do have different opinions and mine actually differ in some regards to, Gatling, Wibbs, Cnocbui, economics101, Dyr (and you) but we genuinely debate and to different extents source information from media that is open to scrutiny and criticism.
The other "side" are the liars and fools who seek to derail debate and distract by spouting utter propaganda from media directly controlled by an authoritarian state.
You read my few posts on here,
And yet I've used the same source previously and suddenly you get triggered
You mean a genuine picture of a Ukrainian POW before capture and after release, as issued by Dmytro Lubinets a member of the Ukrainian Parliament?
Russian su30 sm getting hit with manpad earlier today,bit a spectacular one can't be many of these left
No CeCe, I actually saw a picture of that soldier 3 months ago in the Azov steel plant in Mariopol. It was in the Guardian newspaper, his arm was in a cast at the time. I would say he has lost about 35 to 45 kilos.
You see thats the advantage of have access to an extensive widely accessible free press CeCe. Its all very transparent.
Also, there is no equivalence here. The Russians commit war crimes out of arrogance and cruelty. The Ukrainians, rightfully, have great righteous anger. That doesn't justify crime but it makes the difference.
ruSSians blew up a building with Ukrainian POWs. If anything is halfarsed, it is you and your subhuman fascist country.
I'm starting to worry about me. I find gleeful pleasure in watching these orcs get blown out of the sky!
There you go CeCe, same soldier 4th picture in the article. 3 months ago, about 40 kilos heavier, so no not a Meth Head just a mistreated POW. Again that's the power of a free press, they are not selling anything, they just catalogue.
BTW do you have any opinion on Russia, a country with no death penalty, sentencing POWs to death?
A quick scan of the thread suggests there are no internet access issues on Orwell road this evening
Not triggered trying to keep perspective. I have followed this thread for a while.
Again, The Guardian, a rag of a newspaper.
A lot of people will just blow with the wind, without being coerced. The Sunday Times reported last weekend that Ukrainian forces had said that they were welcomed in reclaimed territory by only about half the population, with the other half wanting the Russians to stay and not being overly happy about the recapture (and many civilians leaving with the Russian soldiers) . I’m sure that’s about being sick of the war, rather than being strongly pro Russia, but just shows how it might not even take much coercion to get the ‘right’ box ticked in these regions (which, don’t forget, have always had a portion of people who identify as Russian)
Those boys would be unstoppable if they had gotten that on-site power plant and vast basement which is, as we all know, is totally needed for (Russian accent) perfectly normal international embassy.
Kirovohradska Oblast, Cherkaska Oblast(20:09). Red Alert: aerial threat. Sirens sounding. Take cover now!
Not genuine, I have a bridge to sell you.
Bought some #NAFO gear on https://www.saintjavelin.com/ just now, proceeds go to buying drones for Ukr army. Going to send Ukr armed forces a donation as soon as I work that out.
May as well do a bit more than just talking I figure.
Yeah sure, I'll take the word of a Ukrainian Official.
The picture was syndicated by Rueters CeCe. Would you like to hear the story of how the sim card was smuggled out CeCe. A ukrainian army medic took those photos CeCe. She was a famed medic Cece, she was famed for treating both Russian and Ukrainian soldiers CeCe. She smuggled the simcard out in her tampon CeCe. She then returned to Maripol CeCe, to treat wounded Russia and Ukrainian soldiers CeCe.
She was captured and held prisoner by the Russians for 2 months CeCe, she was released in a prisoner exchange CeCe. She testified before the US congress last week CeCe. She detailed the torture she suffered at the hands of the Russians CeCe. She told of the murders and torture of numerous Ukrainian soldiers, Civilians and children she witnessed while she was held captive CeCe.
Why do you think the Guardian is a rag CeCe? The same picture was all over the world CeCe. Do you not trust "so called western media" CeCe? Why?
That #NAFO has been some publicity stunt! The russians hate NAFO more than NATO at this stage 😅
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