You posted that absolute crap, the rest of your posts on this thread have mainly been focused on actual facts. That one was absolute shite and you know it.
And why has Nato never offered a written in law agreement with Russia. Why are Russia let to live with their paranoia about Nato coming to get them, that is after all why this all started. Seems to me it could all have been avoided if Nato and Russia had a agreement, that it was made clear that Nato's job is to protect, not invade.
Fair enough, I'm not buying it.
The half arsed biased article posted by Gatling, allegedly showing the mal treatment of Ukrainian Pow's.
@CeCe12 haven't had much time to verify the background, so your welcome to if you have any doubt.
I do not agree that wartime propaganda should not be tolerated just because it is propaganda. I am happy to give Ukraine the benefit of the doubt at this moment, but will not extend the same courtesy to Russia, as they are clearly on the side of wrong, here. The priority is to get Russia out of Ukraine. What is and isn't Ukrainian propaganda can be parsed through once that task has been completed, but to ask for it to happen while the war is ongoing is at best a misguided priority and at worst a deliberate tactic to undermine the Ukrainian war effort.
That's a part of it and another part of it to a large degree is the beady eye, many beady eyes from many countries and positions are on Ukraine as the clearly wounded party and the "good guys" in all this. On the Russian side it's just their eyes, eyes that they vet for "loyalty". Any war crimes by the Ukrainian forces are far more likely to get out and quickly.
What piece of crap are you talking about?
I didn't realise there was "sides"
It's a discussion forum.
That piece of crap was a bad attempt at a deep fake. My point is valid. Come at me all you want. I'm sure I could find a similar piece of propaganda from the Russians. As for insulting my intelligence, I don't believe anything without verification.
I dunno what crib sheet you're reading from but EU sanctions most certainly apply to metals. Steel, iron, silver and gold, including jewellry. Coal, gas and oil are also all on the see ya later alligator list.
Google et al are in Ireland because of tax breaks(which every country wields), an educated English speaking populace in a peaceful stable nation within the largest trading block and second largest economy on the planet. Historical ties to America helps of course, but that's the least of it. Though we need to get our moronic housing and energy issues on point and quickly.
Now Russia could have gotten into a more close attachment to the EU, maybe do a Norway if it so chose to keep her independence and the beady eye away from her mind bogglingly hilarious levels of grift and corruption, but that went well... It's now pinning hopes on BRICS, where China and India, especially the former make it look like the broken down petrol station it is, with the owners of said petrol station now looking about as stable as a one legged man on a unicycle to the BICS. And no it's not so easy and cheap to extract. Hell a large proportion of Russia's equipment and expertise to get it out of the ground, especially as the sources move ever northward were Western(mostly European). Your lot didn't really think this through. As I said China is happy to take your oil at knockdown prices, but at the same time has banned your aircraft from her skies in line with the rest of the international air authorities. When push comes to shove...
And you seem to have missed the part about me stating off shoring by American business was stupid if you were America's working man. IMHO I'd be bringing more and more manufatcuring back within the EU(and there are signs of that coming especially after covid). The fact is Covid and a Chinese ship that pulled a handbrake turn in the Suez so far caused more disruption to "our" electronics and metallurgy industries than sanctioning Russia. Yet Russian cars can't have airbags and ABS anymore.
And as you note Russia's population is only 2.2% of the worlds, though it's falling. It has incredible natural resources and an educated and previously innovative people as the old USSR showed, so why does it look more like a developing nation beyond the cities in the west? Why does it have one of the worst longevity stats in the first world? Why are average wages so much lower than the first world? Why doesn't it look like a better version of Finland? It should, if it was run by the Finns, or more, if the Finnish character was in play.
We in Ireland have many questions to ask of our own failings, our own idiotic repetiton of an oddly servile nod to the parochial authority of mostly morons and the like for our issues, which are a few. That and our mix of pride and insecurity(very like Russians). Maybe Russians should ask the same questions of their regressive cultural choices. Like all nations should. But I'll not hold my breath. Sadly. They were once sooo bloody close. When they ousted their inbred elites and tried to forge a better Russia for Russians, but sadly reverted to type. FFS since the fall of the USSR the Russian Orthodox Church has made the last Czar a bloody saint, or close to it. They had another chance when the Wall came down and that didn't go well. Though IMHO the "West" should have and could have done more. It did for her ex vassal states, but left Russia, Belarus and ironically Ukraine out of that loop in too many ways. Setting up McDonalds and the like in Russia only went so far and not far enough. Then again you'd have to get over the hump of that faded empire stuff, which was part of what carried the Brexit vote in our nearest neighbour.
@CeCe12 I am on the same side of this as the rest of you.
Which side is that
I totally agree with you. My point is, the previous post was total propaganda, biased and unfounded. I am on the same side of this as the rest of you. In fairness propaganda from both sides should not be tolerated and that was unilateral Ukrainian propaganda.
What unfounded bias is that exactly? There is evidence of Russian war crime, there is none of Ukrainian yet and Ukraine are operating under the scrutiny of free press while the Russians are not.
I don't know. Another source said they were Chechens. Either way, things are going to get very intense. This is also something to think about- Kremlin wants to introduce martial law and ban men from leaving the country | Ukrainska Pravda
Roger Waters gigs in Poland cancelled due to his stance on the war.
Not that it'll dent his bank balance much,but good all the same.
I disagree and think it absolutely should be publicised. Think about it if they can do it and no one pays any attention do you think they’d do it more or less at that point?
my guess is far more.
This whole "....y'know... Ukraine are no angels themselves.... " thing is tiresome. Nobody is saying the Ukrainian army is an army of saints or angels, but the crux of the issue is that Russia has invaded the country for no good reason, with a clear intention to stamp out the Zelenskyy government and any notion of a Ukraine free to choose its own destiny, and to smash Ukraine and Ukrainians to pieces if that's what they think needs to be done and if that's what they can do. The Ukrainian army and its civilians have every right to fight tooth and nail against that if they so choose, to defend their freedom and their sovereignty. Tooth and nail. If the Russian army find Ukrainian aggression against them in any distasteful, there's a really, really simple solution. Just fúck the fúck off out of Ukraine. Back to mammy, back to Moscow and tell Putin to shove it up his hole.
Thank you, I appreciate your genuine reply. My point is, there is enough known and verifiable facts about the Russian, despicable war and aggression, so, that unfounded, biased **** like that does not need to be posted. It undermines the actual reality of what's happening.
There is no evidence to suggest Russian POWs have been deliberately mistreated by the Ukraine military or government.
In the absence of such evidence, the only reasonable assumption is they are not.
But this is the question? None of us know how dirty they are willing to get. And yes I denounce Putin in every possible way, but I'm not buying the whole Ukraine is pure Bull crap.
Is that from recently?
They may loathe one another but the Ukraine is not in the business (so far as we know) of War Crimes. I doubt they broke the Geneva convention rules.
She's affliated to Ukraine. Hardly impartial or objective.
I'm not doubting you, but could you post a source of credible information for that? Seems to me if both nations loathe each other they would both equally treat POW's like crap.
All joking aside, the west needs to get real serious. This war is going to get very intense-
Lots and lots of Russians will never be able to leave Russia again once this concluded. That will be out of rightful and justified fear of arrest in any country that respects the authority of the ICC.
In that I include the judiciary of the Russian federation, the guys who committed a war crime by sentencing POWs to death in sham trials. While it might be expected that an ordinary Russian soldier might never expect to leave Russia anyway, the middle class Judges will never truly be safe on their shopping trips to London or Cruises in the Med, even in 40 years time.
there will be a new cockroach tomorrow.
Apparently the Ukrainians soldiers released from Russia were all suffering malnourishment and conditions similar to anorexia.
Meanwhile Ukraine is looking after Russian pows with kindness and respect
How many times has NATO invaded Russia? Putin is a serial liar and breaker of agreements, so I don't know why people talk of ending this conflict by talking to him. He can never be trusted.
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