It's all falling apart alarmingly fast for Boris Johnson across the water. How long you reckon he has left as British Prime Minister? Hours surely?
How many parties are they talking about now? I've lost count.
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Some quality content coming out of today
She has been pretty anonymous throughout this week. Probably not worth the risk of her attempting to capitalize on this moment. More likely to fk it up.
Heathrow runway 3? Hinkley Point C? Crossrail has been on the drawing board since the 70s and only opened this year.
You're completely missing the point btw. There are consituencies in the UK that will only ever be represented by a Tory MP. There are constituencies that will only ever be represented by a Labour MP. All minority voices, big and small, radical and mainstream are shut out. And MPs are routinely uniform Oxbridge spad types parchuted into safe constituencies where they have no links to because party HQ want to get their careers going.
You get no better governance, and inferior I'd argue - the UK's best days are behind it thanks to the Brexit howler - brought to you by first-past-the-post populism and a grubby, broken political system.
The UK are welcome to their electoral system and their country slowly going down the sh*tter. The divergance between the average quality of life in Ireland and the UK will grow (and in Ireland's comparitive favour in case you're confused).
Oops, someone needs a hug.
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That's not quality content.
Many people, indeed many conservatives, in the UK, know very little about Liz Truss. Her premiership has quickly become overshadowed by the death of the Queen, so it's unsurprising that most countries in the world, including commonwealth countries, do not yet recognize her in the same way that Boris Johnson held.
If that's the best you can do, then that's the best you can do.
LOL as usual you take anything and everything mocking the tories far too personally
It wasn't intended as mocking Liz Truss, it was an attempt to dismiss her by implying she's effectively invisible to everyone else; a means to undermine the conservative leader.
Why has the thread title changed? Liz Truss will soon be toast? She's only just in the job.
It absolutely was intended as mocking her, do you know how I know that because I made the post.... also the real reason nobody knows who she is is because she doesnt even know weho she is. She has changed her position on everything under the son too many times to count depending what would suit her career more. Shes an empty vessel being puppeteered by right wing lobbyists and think tanks.
Yet her budget the other day is hailed as the best conservative budget in decades - supporting people through lower taxes and incentivising business.
To date, she's done a very good job. If she keeps this up, and actually becomes more conservative and less Cameronian, she has a good chance of winning the party a fifth term in 2024. Yes, she might not be the slickest performer on the runway, but ultimately what matters is policy - and driving that policy through. That's what affects people's lives. Not how good a performer on the debating scene she happens to be.
But a lot can happen between now and then. So we'll have to see how she performs going forward - particularly in relation to the migrant crisis and the cost of living crisis and the energy crisis (note she has lifted the ban on fracking, too - another massive positive).
Well you were a very vocal underminer of Liz yourself until you realized she was trashing Sunak.
A disaster you called her and said she would guarantee a Labour win in the next election.
I was clearly wrong, at that point in time.
It's apt you quote Orwell.
"Oceania was at war with Eurasia: therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia"
Because the writing is on the wall just like it was with Johnson.
Ehhhh, her budget caused the pound to tank.
You must be a rich man to be able to afford that amount of gas for your lights.
Markets are volatile. What matters is the long-term dividend of her strategy and, if it works, that market volatility will be worth it in the end.
Which way do you think it's gonna go ?
The markets response to the budget is they don’t like the pound and they think it will inflate. That’s not volatile, that’s a reaction to a terrible budget plan, price falling and yield rising so the price of borrowing will be horrific.
Good luck trying to spin this.
Actually, I don't know. Nor does anybody else.
Economics is stupid to predict, because it depends on so many human factors and factors beyond people's control (international effects etc.).
But, in principle, her conservative budget should yield dividends. If it doesn't, then some other, unknown future third-party effect will be the cause of undermining it, not because the budget itself is bad.
Truss is already hurtling towards economic disaster.
The mini budget has the markets reaching for the puke bucket and Sterling is only going one way.
What we saw this week is an act of Olympic-level economic illiteracy.
I said this to another hot-headed poster in the thread, the UK is in deep financial sh*t now, much more so than peer countries in Europe.
There's no safety net and no parachute. The sound of the UK going splat will ring around the world.
So you don't know and it is impossible to predict.
But you can 100% predict it wont be her fault.
I assume you would never question Labour economic policy either because "economics is stupid to predict"
“if it doesn’t then some unknown future third party effect will be the cause…..”
and there it is……the groundwork in place already for blaming labour for everything when they win the next election and have to try to clear up the mess
It's the same as how Brexits failure is the fault of remoaners.
Sorry not sorry for pointing this out, but the mini-budget is the Great Pyramid of Giza of idiotic budgets.
You can't give deep tax cuts to upper income deciles like that without a commensurate deep cut in government spending. If they attempted the deep cuts, the UK economy will fall apart. If they persist with this, Sterling will collapse. It's pro inflationary and magic money tree stuff much worse than anything even Corbyn would come up with. It's Easter Bunny and Bigfoot economics put together.
There's is no roadmap to growth in the UK. They have no particular advantage in anything after they castarated themselves with Brexit.
It's bad news from here on out I'm afraid.
I think it's a case of anti-conservatives wanting the UK / CP to fail under her policies / Brexit, rather than because they will intrinsically lead to that outcome.
Are you suggesting that people can wish something to fail.
Or are you suggesting "A Very British Coup" style deep state attack on Truss premiership ?
It's Easter Bunny economics. Not only will it fail, it has already begun to fail. Sterling is at a 37 year low against the dollar and there's more where that came from.
If the UK had an export industry worth talking about instead of being a consumption focused economy there might be an upside. But that's a lot of Werther's Originals to sell to the Japanese / Germans / Americans. There is no upside.
We need to stop believing in fairy tales. Truss and Kwarteng have bet the house on a undergraduate level brainfart understanding of how the world works.
The UK is f*cked if they don't reverse course.
What I'm saying is that it doesn't matter what Truss proposed in her budget; the same anti-conservative forces would spin the policies to proclaim how the UK is doomed to failure and penury.
The conclusion will always be the same, no matter what Truss and the CP say or do. Your minds are made up before Truss even speaks.
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