Lovely crowd huh
You can be against the Russian invasion and the far right in Ukraine
You're nearly there.... A "UN" in any form cannot hold such states to account. No Current permanent member would join a new org, rendering it useless for what you criticise the Current UN for.
Nate
Problem is that 90% doesnt even have education,like most refugees from poor regions of the world dont have,and the same goes for the poor regions in Russia where Putin is taking most of his mobilised units from
And they also need a place to stay,need to learn the language,then an education and finally a job before they actually start to benefit the economy.
This costs alot of money,and could take years to complete
Deafeat Putin. Not necessarily remove him from power, but put a stop to his territorial ambitions - most probably by kicking his forces out of Ukraine and back beyond Feb 24, or ideally 2014 borders. He's been quite clear in the past about his desire to re-establish the old Soviet empire, which means Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and probably Karelia if not all of Finland. Ambitions for Lisbon are not required for this to be a very big deal. History has shown quite clearly that appeasement does not work and the best time to nip such aggression in the bud is as early as possible.
Ultimately, though, it's for the Ukrainians to decide. but if they decide to fight on, I believe the west should give them every support. The Donetsk and Luhansk regions are the Sudetenland of our time.
True,like you sad some ISiS members slipped trough and cause havoc in Europe at that time.
But i guess a man that comes with his family is a safer bet than someone travelling alone or in a group of only men at military age.
still you never know
Russian soldiers are well diciplined and ready to fight before arriving in Ukraine
They even practice on eachother before arrival
Out of curiosity, did Ukraine's far-right issues only become a problem for you when the Russians invaded?
So never ending war then, if that's what it takes to defeat Putin?
That's where you and me will part ways ideologically I'm afraid.
I don't believe a permanent state of conflict really solves anything. Who has won in the middle east with permanent war? Nobody.
It's the path of losers, not winners. And it's a very well worn path by mankind.
300k Russians reservists are mobilized, and every single one of them is cannon fodder? Really?
If Putin had not sent in his goons like wagner group,cossacks,night wolves,russian othodox army,russian national unity as part of his hybrid warfare to destabilise the regions in eastern Ukraine,none of this would have happened.
Maybe you should let that sink in first
Probably should'nt say this in case they stop posting; but it's probably useful for the freedom loving people to see what current propaganda is being pushed by shills such as this.
Edit to add: meant to reply to one of the obvious ones
I don't want links, I want you to provide the nature and number of attrocities actually carried out, thanks, with links as backup, but just dumping links is not an argument.
I clicked on your first link, just for interest, and it shows two white guys having an organised fight, I believe Ireland's own travellers provide similar entertainments, is that justification for Putin to invade Ireland? the BBC one shows some poseurs strutting around the place wearing symbols and bluster.
All you have succeeded in doing is reinforced the notion that the supposed pretext is about as serious as a couple of cats having it out at 02:00 am.
There are also cultural differences as far as mass portest goes. Russians, save for a sadly all too brief time when they riddled or drove out their aristocracy and czar, live in a culture of a strong man leads and protects us all we have to do is swear allegience to him as Russia personified. A culture that is far more like an old style European feudalism bolstered by the church. Something that Western Europe and her colonies moved away from during the Enlightenment. The French revolution a more bloody example. The "divine right royals" of most of Western Europe saw their power diluted or removed, even if royalist sympathy as a prop of patriotism was retained(our nearest neighbour an example of that).
This didn't happen to nearly the same degree in Russia, if at all. Maybe because such a vast land empire needed that to survive? America took to federalism, invivdualism under one flag and the American Dream(tm) to keep that together. The czar retained the power exercised by his lords/boyars over the mercantile class and peasants. Well right until the people thought sod this and took them down. But the culture remained. So after a while they installed another version of what they were used to in Stalin and faith in communism replaced the church.
Now in war this arrangment(and this was in play in feudal Europe too) generally meant their king and his nobles waged wars, with peasant armies yes, but at some remove. Most peasants were quite distanced from the actual fighting and dying. This was the "agreement" between peasants and kings. We swear fealty and pay our taxes, you do the nasty stuff for us. Then mechanised massed armies and death came along and that shifted things about. In Western democracies the arrangement became this affects us all so you will fight to protect these rights of yours behind people you voted for, or felt like you voted for. In Russia it didn't and the chickens came home to roost when during the Great War the peasants of Russia were being directly affected by massive losses and hardship at home. Cue the Russian Revolution.
Post the Revolution and after a glimmer of hope it was back to a mix of the old feudal behind Uncle Joe, but with nationalist propaganda and zeal on top. Dying for Mother Russia and all that. Something that putin has been pushing over his reign milking the memory of the tens of millions Russian dead in their fight against the Nazis(who Uncle Joe was in bed with before the war dividing up Eastern Europe, but never mind...).
So IMHO this Czarist feudal system of culture is still very much in play within the empire of Russia today and putin has encouraged it as a protection and insulation against dissent. And after the horrific 90's and a serious insecurity within the Russian psyche over being seen as a bunch of failed primitives, he gave them back a semblance of a balanced society and national pride. Note after their failure to take Kyiv and their Special Run Away Operation recently in the east, Russian criticism and there was much, was aimed at his boyars, his generals, anyone but the Czar.
It was also a Special Military Operation where the Russian everyman was like the peasant of old, largely insulated and distanced from it. Especially in his western powerbase of support. They could watch their nightly news, support our boys and our Czar, smash up iphones on Telegram, with the Punch and Judy shows on TV telling them they were against the nazis and the west telling them they were winning against both. Until the cracks became too obvious and putin needed to throw more people at the problem.
The problem for putin with this mobilisation is he's changed that old contract now. It's not just ethnics from Arsebackistan dying for Mother Russia, or paid groups like Wagner, it'll be Oleg and Vasily from your neighbourhood coming back in boxes, or maybe you. On top of sanctions that will bite more and more in his Western powerbase cities. I don't see a Russian Revolution Part Deux, but it's not too unlike how the first one kicked off.
Interesting detail here (apart from the dissent) is that the commander appears to tell them that they will get just 2 weeks training before joining a unit.
No .
It didn't involve tanks or Warsaw
Dictatorships have to look strong. It doesn't mean they are. Democracies look weak to dictatorships, but tend to be strong when threatened by them.
Jesus. Their eastern front must be about to collapse if that's the level of desperation. Can't blame the pressganged 'soldiers' for being upset.
To be fair in past Russian Referendums the turnout has been extraordinary.
In one City in Crimea the dead literally rose to vote for Mother Russia.
in Sevastopol, Ukraine, 123 percent of the population just “voted” on whether Crimea should join the Russian Federation.
in Sevastopol, Ukraine,
90,000 voting zombies, you can't get more democratic than that.
Yes really. The more men Putin sends in against superior western trained soldiers with modern arms and equipment the more body bags Russia will need. It's going to be a slaughter.
As I said link dumping to the utterly irrelevant or indeed to things directly contradicting the argument they purport to support.
Clicking on links provided by someone who uses expressions like "western media" is pointless.
So the first russian soldier has cast his vote in Melitopil
Never-ending? I doubt it. I think the west could finish it very quickly.
There you go guys, he did not read the reports he linked to and admits it.
they will literally need the modern equivalent of the NKVD detachments that were positioned behind the Russian troops in WW2 to ahem, encourage, them to their glorious patriotic destiny.
Disorganised rabble. And poster on here last night claimed this mob would be rolling into Poland 🤣
Russia's not going to need any body bags because they'll just leave those corpses to rot.
I just put them on ignore, makes the thread readable.
One of the commentariat says it should be translated as 'two weeks additional training." I guess them being veterans and all.
If someone got up and fragged that guy, I'd have some hopes for the Russian people. They're fleeing not because they're against the war - they're against being forced to participate in it, is all. Wondering if their jobs will still be there? Really? Sad
Good point. It's actually been Ukrainians gathering the bodies of the dead Russian soldiers.
That is probably going to happen with the sanctions,he will call the sanctions a direct attack on Russia ,why not, it will be the only weapon left to him to get them lifted
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