If Russia was planning on using WMD [weapons mass destruction] they wound not say a thing about it. In much the same way they planned the Ukrainian invasion. Russia denied their plans and still insist its not an invasion.
And “no one will fire you from your job” 😂 like that’s a perk!
The argument was about the well documented far right problem in Ukraine not the illegal invasion by Russia
Sure, but anyone can predict a swift victory.
Very different thing actually making it a reality.
The west thought they'd sort Iraq and Afghanistan out fairly quickly, then they toiled in the desert for 2 decades without that decisive victory. And the Taliban walked straight back into power.
All the human misery, for what exactly?
Arrogance is hubris. And the west do it as well as anyone else.
I'll give you a "like" purely for the effort it took to write that post.
Without ending the world? How could they?
Iraq/Afghanistan, they haven't got a great track record at ending things quickly against far less competition
You wanna make an argument here in favour of, or to tolerate Russian aggression? Then:-
You do the research. You present actual verifiable facts that back up your points.
Otherwise, get lost.
I haven't time to go through it now and take the parts he wants out of it. I'm sure you knew what I meant though
That is probably going to happen with the sanctions,he will call the sanctions a direct attack on Russia ,why not, it will be the only weapon left to him to get them lifted
Good point. It's actually been Ukrainians gathering the bodies of the dead Russian soldiers.
One of the commentariat says it should be translated as 'two weeks additional training." I guess them being veterans and all.
If someone got up and fragged that guy, I'd have some hopes for the Russian people. They're fleeing not because they're against the war - they're against being forced to participate in it, is all. Wondering if their jobs will still be there? Really? Sad
I just put them on ignore, makes the thread readable.
Russia's not going to need any body bags because they'll just leave those corpses to rot.
Disorganised rabble. And poster on here last night claimed this mob would be rolling into Poland 🤣
they will literally need the modern equivalent of the NKVD detachments that were positioned behind the Russian troops in WW2 to ahem, encourage, them to their glorious patriotic destiny.
There you go guys, he did not read the reports he linked to and admits it.
Never-ending? I doubt it. I think the west could finish it very quickly.
So the first russian soldier has cast his vote in Melitopil
As I said link dumping to the utterly irrelevant or indeed to things directly contradicting the argument they purport to support.
Clicking on links provided by someone who uses expressions like "western media" is pointless.
Yes really. The more men Putin sends in against superior western trained soldiers with modern arms and equipment the more body bags Russia will need. It's going to be a slaughter.
To be fair in past Russian Referendums the turnout has been extraordinary.
In one City in Crimea the dead literally rose to vote for Mother Russia.
in Sevastopol, Ukraine, 123 percent of the population just “voted” on whether Crimea should join the Russian Federation.
in Sevastopol, Ukraine,
90,000 voting zombies, you can't get more democratic than that.
Jesus. Their eastern front must be about to collapse if that's the level of desperation. Can't blame the pressganged 'soldiers' for being upset.
Dictatorships have to look strong. It doesn't mean they are. Democracies look weak to dictatorships, but tend to be strong when threatened by them.
No .
It didn't involve tanks or Warsaw
Interesting detail here (apart from the dissent) is that the commander appears to tell them that they will get just 2 weeks training before joining a unit.
There are also cultural differences as far as mass portest goes. Russians, save for a sadly all too brief time when they riddled or drove out their aristocracy and czar, live in a culture of a strong man leads and protects us all we have to do is swear allegience to him as Russia personified. A culture that is far more like an old style European feudalism bolstered by the church. Something that Western Europe and her colonies moved away from during the Enlightenment. The French revolution a more bloody example. The "divine right royals" of most of Western Europe saw their power diluted or removed, even if royalist sympathy as a prop of patriotism was retained(our nearest neighbour an example of that).
This didn't happen to nearly the same degree in Russia, if at all. Maybe because such a vast land empire needed that to survive? America took to federalism, invivdualism under one flag and the American Dream(tm) to keep that together. The czar retained the power exercised by his lords/boyars over the mercantile class and peasants. Well right until the people thought sod this and took them down. But the culture remained. So after a while they installed another version of what they were used to in Stalin and faith in communism replaced the church.
Now in war this arrangment(and this was in play in feudal Europe too) generally meant their king and his nobles waged wars, with peasant armies yes, but at some remove. Most peasants were quite distanced from the actual fighting and dying. This was the "agreement" between peasants and kings. We swear fealty and pay our taxes, you do the nasty stuff for us. Then mechanised massed armies and death came along and that shifted things about. In Western democracies the arrangement became this affects us all so you will fight to protect these rights of yours behind people you voted for, or felt like you voted for. In Russia it didn't and the chickens came home to roost when during the Great War the peasants of Russia were being directly affected by massive losses and hardship at home. Cue the Russian Revolution.
Post the Revolution and after a glimmer of hope it was back to a mix of the old feudal behind Uncle Joe, but with nationalist propaganda and zeal on top. Dying for Mother Russia and all that. Something that putin has been pushing over his reign milking the memory of the tens of millions Russian dead in their fight against the Nazis(who Uncle Joe was in bed with before the war dividing up Eastern Europe, but never mind...).
So IMHO this Czarist feudal system of culture is still very much in play within the empire of Russia today and putin has encouraged it as a protection and insulation against dissent. And after the horrific 90's and a serious insecurity within the Russian psyche over being seen as a bunch of failed primitives, he gave them back a semblance of a balanced society and national pride. Note after their failure to take Kyiv and their Special Run Away Operation recently in the east, Russian criticism and there was much, was aimed at his boyars, his generals, anyone but the Czar.
It was also a Special Military Operation where the Russian everyman was like the peasant of old, largely insulated and distanced from it. Especially in his western powerbase of support. They could watch their nightly news, support our boys and our Czar, smash up iphones on Telegram, with the Punch and Judy shows on TV telling them they were against the nazis and the west telling them they were winning against both. Until the cracks became too obvious and putin needed to throw more people at the problem.
The problem for putin with this mobilisation is he's changed that old contract now. It's not just ethnics from Arsebackistan dying for Mother Russia, or paid groups like Wagner, it'll be Oleg and Vasily from your neighbourhood coming back in boxes, or maybe you. On top of sanctions that will bite more and more in his Western powerbase cities. I don't see a Russian Revolution Part Deux, but it's not too unlike how the first one kicked off.
I don't want links, I want you to provide the nature and number of attrocities actually carried out, thanks, with links as backup, but just dumping links is not an argument.
I clicked on your first link, just for interest, and it shows two white guys having an organised fight, I believe Ireland's own travellers provide similar entertainments, is that justification for Putin to invade Ireland? the BBC one shows some poseurs strutting around the place wearing symbols and bluster.
All you have succeeded in doing is reinforced the notion that the supposed pretext is about as serious as a couple of cats having it out at 02:00 am.
Probably should'nt say this in case they stop posting; but it's probably useful for the freedom loving people to see what current propaganda is being pushed by shills such as this.
Edit to add: meant to reply to one of the obvious ones
If Putin had not sent in his goons like wagner group,cossacks,night wolves,russian othodox army,russian national unity as part of his hybrid warfare to destabilise the regions in eastern Ukraine,none of this would have happened.
Maybe you should let that sink in first
300k Russians reservists are mobilized, and every single one of them is cannon fodder? Really?
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