And this is the same Putin who some posters were saying earlier on that would never attack a NATO Country?????/ Where Putin is concerned, never say "never". Back in January, he would "Never" invade Ukraine...
How come the Russians in charge of rounding up people for Ukraine haven't hopped skipped and jumped to airports, train/bus stations and border crossings and load up all those lads legging it? Seems an easier way to mobilise than having to travel to near Alaska to round up people
But does it matter what posters here want to happen?
It seems pretty clear that for the most part the people of Ukraine want to fight for their freedom. If this wasn't the case Zelensky would have been ousted well before now.
If the west stopped supplying weapons, how do you know that would be the end of the fighting? Do you think the people of Ukraine would just give up in this case?
Maybe things could be a hell of a lot worse with urban warfare and battles in far more cities and territory in Ukraine than at present, and of course how many more attrocities under Russian occupation?
Why wouldn't people be rooting for the side who is the victim of Russian aggression?
So even if there might be a chance to bring this war to an end faster, but it perhaps means the west doesn't get it's decisive victory against Putin/Russia, you would be happy to sink into a 20 year conflict like perhaps what we witnessed in Iraq/Afghanistan as the better alternative?
And what if Ukraine is markedly different to something like Vietnam for example? The US was there to defeat communism, not really the Vietnamese. And it wasn't right on their doorstep either, so much easier for them to tuck tail and scamper away. If Russia was to run away from their objectives in Ukraine, then they would have to live with the consequences.... and the consequences are most likely a western controlled Ukraine right on their doorstep. This would be unfathomable to many millions of Russians not just Putin. It would be the biggest humiliation their country could possibly suffer. Far worse than their economy being in the toilet or Russia being viewed as a big evil empire.
I think people in the west underestimate just how many Russians care about the prestige and image of their country. They may not like Putin or his aggression, but that doesn't mean they're going to back the west and cheer on a big humiliating defeat for their nation. And Putin is banking on this too, just like most nations do when they choose to go to war.
This is why I think the Russians could very well be prepared to fight to very last man, rather than ever allow the west to win. But what does this mean for the future prospects of Ukraine? What if Putin is prepared to smash Ukraine into a thousand pieces, rather than hand it over to the west?
Your the one lying and you know it, or you would have linked to a source to prove your point!
Heres the report if you want to read it
Deserters includes people called up for mobilisation now, the article makes that clear. Refusing to fight means jail i.e. serious repression. It's not limited to people in Ukraine now
He's one of those social media messiahs who can sell people what they already know, they all do this by applying seemingly novel terms (new words) to universal experience (stuff).
Sorry, but Estonia, Latvia and Finland all have the right idea to not consider fleeing Russian men as legitimate refugees. These people would mostly be against risking their own necks, while at the same time fully supporting Russias actions and intentions regarding Ukraine.
I believe that's untrue as observed by the international team sent there to report. I also believe you know that is untrue and yet you still deliberately choose to repeat it.
One article is about fleeing mobilisation, the other is about deserters. 1 being civilians avoiding the mobilisation, aka draft dodgers.
The other article is about deserters, as in soldiers deserting the army.
2 entirely different groups of people.
"Keep at out": I see you're still on the sauce this morning
Keep at out by any means necessary
They had a lot of infotainment but some solid programs and documentaries as well. It actually did something worse than Russian propaganda, it told the truth about a lot of western problems. It was the only pro Julian Assange channel, it had great programs like Chris Hedges On contact, check him out on Youtube, Going Underground was another decent program. It never covered Russian news in any depth
Your going to trigger some with that link
Run along there Ted
Peterson is just an empty vessel who'll say whatever is necessary to maximise his audience (or for clicks as you say). He's not imparting some knowledge that he has some expertise in. He's just saying what he needs to to keep those clicks coming, regardless of whether what he is saying is accurate or not. He doesn't actually have anything useful to add to the discussion. He's little more than the fleshbag equivalent of a click-maximising AI.
“People who oppose Putin, they have real power, and that’s the reason of Putin’s repressions on us,” she said. “We’re building (an) alternative Russia with values that are different from Putin’s values. We want to be part of the Western civilization.” Nadya Tolokonnikova
The younger generation do seem to be slowly standing against Putin. They may be small groups and numbers but change has to start somewhere.
Current protests might drop away as most of them [young people] are busy getting out of Russia.
The more defeats inflicted upon him, the more his military commanders will lose confidence in him – to the extent they have not already. This would be the best outcome – a change of regime from within, not by the hand of the West or even its policies. And it is not beyond reach. This war will bring down Putin.
No they're not. Learn to read. Or what part of fleeing mobilisation don't you understand?:
No it's where the Ukrainians shell Russian positions at the power plant.
For the other poster, here's a snippet from an Amnesty International report around 2014
The discovery of mass graves in the Donetsk region
On 23 September Russian media reported the discovery of mass graves in Komunar and Nyzhnya Krynka, two adjacent villages in the Donetsk Region, which until two days previously had been held by Kiev-controlled forces. They described the discovery of women’s bodies with signs of torture and the body of a pregnant woman. Russia’s Foreign Minister, Sergei Lavrov, was reported later as saying that more than 400 bodies had been discovered in the graves in this area and calling for international investigations.
An Amnesty delegation visited the area on 26 September and found strong evidence implicating Kiev-controlled forces in the extrajudicial executions of four men buried in two graves near the village of Komunar.
Five further bodies buried in a single grave nearby were revealed to belong to separatist fighters.
Atrocities had been happening with both sides at the time according to Amnesty
Protest in Snihurivka against illegal referendum
straight out of a bad actors playbook, forced democracy
Is that the nuclear plant where the laws of physics are suspended and shells fired from the Ukrainians do a full 180 degree turn mid flight and turn around to strike the nuclear plant from the direction of the Russian artillery?
Like the nuclear power plant that Russia is both occupying and destroying at the same time. False flag for what? They have already gone with full mobilization. Ukrainian forces have been bombing these areas since 2014
No actual evidence of Ukraine targeting civilians there.
We don't know who fired the shells and at what. This could easily be a false flag from Russia.
Ukrainian forces targeting civilians
That changes if Putin attacks NATO in any way.
I know - he won't - but I was commenting on his threat.
Anyway, the West wouldn't need to risk a single person or plane to retaliate against Russia.
More suffering all round? Statement made without foundation. Premise rejected.
And invading countries are rarely prepared to suffer until the bitter end. They can always pack up and go home. The home country has no choice but to fight on. That's what happened in Vietnam and Afghanistan.
Kasparov
Another of Putin's ex EU leader buddies defending him:
He, Schröder und Orban are an absolute disgrace and Italians are a disgrace that this corrupt sleazeball still has many supporters in their country
I don't think anyone with a shred of credibility considers this war anything else than Russia's fault and its mostly down to one old Russian mans desire to write himself a significant chapter in Russian history before he dies.
The thing with Peterson is that his fan base is mostly young males who identify with the right much more so then the left. To keep his audience happy he needs to thread a fine line. I have no doubt he finds this war as upsetting as anyone else but in the video clip he didn't denounce Putin instead said we are more like him than we think and it would be foolish to think he will lose. He's just being vague enough to keep his predominately right leaning fanbase happy. Its like when he won't directly answer the question on whether or not he really believes in god, he talks in circles around it rather than give a direct answer, he usually defaults to "that's not a question that can be easily answered" and the importance of religious mythology in the modern world.
Having said that I still enjoy listening to him speak, I just accept that he won't directly answer some questions with a simple answer as he might lose some followers if he did. Peterson is a guy who's been in many controversial conversations and has been denounced by many but those interviews get huge amounts of clicks. He's always on the verge of being cancelled by the woke far left and he knows it.
Thanks, you lot. Looks like they have relocated to Riga and are broadcasting again.
Ps: I can get RT on my fire stick
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