🤣 You've let the mask slip there
Russia says lots of ****. They were never going to invade a NATO country.
Housefree , You would not consider these "Government Collapses" to be democracy in action, no?
Yes.
The chances of NATO letting Russia invade Poland is zero.
Also if Russia had "taken Ukraine in a few days", they'd be busy fighting a huge insurgency now.
Whatever you're drinking tonight, you're really not making a lot of sense. Good luck to you
Well, the only way they would have taken Ukraine in a few days would be if there was some kind of latent support for them so perhaps they wouldn't have a large degree of insurgency. All bit of a pointless hypothetical at this stage.
You've not been right yet ..
An insurgency , didn't happen 8 years ago....
Your the one going on about poor russian soldiers...
In that case, change the rules and immediate membership of NATO for Ukraine and all their internationally agreed borders. If the Kremlin can play the game of annexing territory and threatening retaliation if it's attacked. Why not throw the same tactic back in their faces?
Zelenskyy's question was "What has been done to these people that they need to castrate other people?" Russia is a very psychically sick country. That is why it should be destroyed - for the sake of the Russian people.
Talking about squeaky bums time .
Hey buddy you're the one discussing Russia waltzing into Poland
You are always right
Yeah probably
And this is precisely the beauty and resilience of democracies ( which you may not be familiar with!).
Governments fall and then are replaced by another government all according to their democratic principles. There is a relatively seamless transfer of power and personnel at the helm, albeit probably with new or updated policies and directions.
This is the key difference between autocracies and dictatorships, and why democracies endure and prosper while your system can only collapse and then try to start again.
When Putins miltary machine get their hands on you, you're in uniform within days, and if very lucky get a few weeks training, if not you will be on the front line within days, if not hours. While Jail is not an option, however, the bullet / bomb/ Missile etc. death definitely are. But again, no guarantee that you will have a painless, alive one second / dead a mili-second later kind of death. Thats the problem.
I don't think NATO commanders are keen to give legitimacy to the game Putin is playing by engaging in the same tactics. It's a handy excuse for Putin to go back to his people and what few allies Russia has left and say that he's only doing what NATO is.
It's clear at this stage that Putin is seeing the red mist and letting his heart rule over his head in terms of what strategy to pursue. He's flailing. If you look at it like a boxing match, this is exactly the point where NATO needs calm and logic most of all to pick to the punches it wants to land in order to defeat Putin swiftly, not go in with haymakers itself. Boxing clever, in other words, not boxing angry.
I'd argue that Russia has always been like this, you just have to go back to the Solvent Union where Stalin did unspeakable crimes to his own people
Russia also committed numerous war crimes during WW2 but because they were on the allies side they got away with it.
None of those European govt. "collapses" had anything to do with Russia or Ukraine though.
Boris partied too heartily & told too many lies for the Tory party to put up with.
There was a domestic coalition row in Italy that caused Draghi to step down. I think he'd pretty much had enough of that job anyway.
In Italy afaik the currently popular far right people (Brothers of Italy) are telling the voters they are not Putin's catspaws and they won't be changing Italian policy on Ukraine/Russia sanctions. They might not be telling the whole truth (?), but even then, they must be saying this because kow-towing to Putin/Russia and shafting Ukraine is not popular and will not win votes!
I don't know what the Sweden Democrat's views on the invasion are, but don't think these or the hidden hand of your idol in the Kremlin has anything to do with their current popularity or weakness of the govt. parties - it is domestic stuff driving it as always.
At least the very maligned League of Nations actually expelled the Soviet Union / Russia for their invasion of Finland. Secretary General Sean Lester amongst many respected Irish LofN diplomats.
The Soviets got their revenge by preventing Irish admission to the UN until 1955.
All of Putins best information and advance planning led him to believe that there would not be any resistance to his "Regime Change , de-Nazification plan" for Ukraine. It would be welcomed in fact, with flower's and vodka. Had he known back then what he knows now, would he have invaded? I doubt it very much. You are well aware of his other plans, to restore historic injustices re former Russian lands, including Alaska and former USSR states, whether NATO or not? He has declared this, if you care to check. So he has or had a plan. And now, while he is again wildly waving his "Nuclear Deterrent" around , do you think that NATO will stop him if he decides to go all out and use his Nuclear deterrent?? I would not bet on it. And now, even more so than ever, because he is in the process of manufacturing a justification for him to use his bomb.
Your argument would be wrong because Stalin wasn't Russian
Putin is a pussycat compared to most of the Communist leadership of Russia.
People should look at the red Terror in the early 20s, especially in Ukraine, nevermind the 30s and 40s.
It's a reflection on how truly murderous communism rather than praise of Vlad.
You'd wonder who was advising him. Apparently, even quite a few within his inner circle were horrified when they discovered at the last moment he intended to invade Ukraine. It seems like he has a couple of particular cranks or nutjobs in his ear giving him terrible advice.
To the best of my knowledge, NATO will not accept any applications from States / Countrys if they are already involved in a dispute / war. So even after this war ends, there will be a long period of years before Ukraine could be accepted. The EU is a different matter though.
There is different stories how he died. He was in poor mental health. He was estranged from Stalin most of his life. He attempted suicide previously. Supposedly he ran into the electrical fence that surrounded the prison camp and was machine gunned by the guards.
Hitler wanted to swap him for a nephew of his.
Putin has made all his advisors and mouthpieces millionaires and billionaires off the back off Russian people. They are living lavish lifestyles sheltered from the war.
They know which side their bread is buttered.
None of his inner circle are going to take him down from within which is depressing.
I think you're right, the UN is failing, and has been failing for quite a long time. The Permanent members of the Security council were always a massive fudge to divide up the world into domains of influence post WW2
But times have moved on, and we need a better system.
The problem is, the global super powers never tolerate limitations on their power. The US are the 'good guys' in this conflict, and in other conflicts, but they're not always the good guys.
The UN doesn't work without the superpowers being involved, but the superpowers won't agree to participate unless they can protect themselves from their own 'misadventures'
The current UN is broken. We need a 'No Homers' version of the UN where the club is the same, but dictatorships are not given equal status.
Democracies give preferential treatments to other democracies.
The 'No Homers' Unv2.0 won't tolerate China, Russia, or a potential fascist US or UK to have veto powers over the other 200ish countries of the world.
The UN was created to prevent the invasion of countries by others, and here we have Russia openly doing that, and threatening other UN countries with nuclear bombs, and yet the UN can't come together and kick Russia out, and yet Russia on a whim can declare huge parts of Ukraine as now Russia.
UN is a joke, vote on kicking them out, how on earth can you have a UN member butchering innocent people, and having the vote to make sure no one can stop them.
A certain poster?
I take it you are on about me when I said hopefully it might be a slow burner and might kick off a bit more, then I stated it was probably wishful thinking from me.
You kind of have a thing about calling out posters on this thread. Well at least be genuine about it.
I'd say that after all the millions/ billions invested in the armed forces after the Georgia debacle ( he could not understand how it to his "Superior Army" 10 or 12 days to subdue an inferior Georgian force. ) So when he mentioned his pet "Ukrainian Russification Project" to his advisers, and asked= why not? After all, he had the 2nd best army in the world, didn't he? Or did he? So of course he was assured that he did indeed have the 2nd best army in the whole wide world. And as they say.... the rest is history.
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