I’m sure people with resources will find a way.
It just strikes me that it would be difficult to argue against asylum in this case, and we would be dealing with refugees from both sides of this war.
There is already discomfort from some quarters towards Ukranian refugees, so how could we do the mental gymnastics to also accept Russians? There may be some awquard ethical questions.
Anyone with the resources to get out will likely have the resources to sustain themselves, also it will be a small small minority who can do so to begin with.
Yes because if they are going to use a nuclear weapon on ukraine,they will also use nuclear weapons on Poland , Lithuania, Moldova, Romania, Estonia Georgia, Latvia,
So yeah . Nuclear weapons vs nuclear weapons
Doubtful they are going to start attacking countries they aren't currently fighting with or are part of NATO. None of them countries has nukes either, so it still wouldn't be Nukes vs Nukes, it would be considered an attack on NATO and we would have to see how the Nuclear powers responded.
He's already Said he wants the return of the Soviet union,he's also said Ukraine is just the start .
Not this muck again. If you want to get all excited about nuclear weapons then go back to this thread in february and have a read. The place was infested with chicken littles who were convinced we could all die in days and MAD was just around the corner. Here we are 8months later rehashing the same shíte and we'll be back here in another few months with more lads like yourself fretting about the end of the world. If you want to worry about something, worry about climate change. Now that really is MAD.
They're going for 300k reservists and veterans because they cant train up new recruits in any numbers.
The real question is how many extra artillery pieces can that 300k bring into the war, because thats the only thing the Russians have that is working for them
Stick your head in the sand all you like, Im going to take Putin's latest statements at face value. Heres some fun reading for you:
Invest in a good shovel and some corrugated metal and you will be fine.
The rest of of us will carry on as normal because he's going to do nothing
The west does not want this war to go on for years, definitely not two winters of an energy crisis. Is it time to send in the big guns ?
Footage of Gatling's recent zoom call with Putin below 😋
Love it ,
Genuinely made me laugh 🤣🤣🤣
Russia's eastern frontiers are also immense and wild. Assuming these folk can get out of the western cities, and also assuming that the various ex-Soviet states don't have a repatriation deal going on for these guys, they can escape that way. I expect any attempt to escape West towards Finland, Norway or the Baltics would probably be much more difficult.
He's writing the future....that's how it's done in Putins Russia.
Intersting video on the options of getting out legitimately for the average Russian. Not good. The Russian passport is effectively useless.
https://youtu.be/mboIwYKIBNI
Russians gloating an about an Irish fighter who was seriously wounded in fighting.
Didn't work too well in Syria anyway.....surprising lack of volunteers after the initial fanfare about big salary's etc. Free tickets and all.
There'll be people in Russian streets just off public squares loitering around at 7pm looking to see who goes first into the squares.
I'm glad you think Putin is such a rational actor in all this, hopefully your right
Im aware, but how long since these reservists were active? They all will require some amount of time to retrain and reorganise into units which pushes out the impact closer and closer to when things get cold and wet again
Is it time to send in the big guns ?
What big guns are these?
There is going to be a holocaust in Ukraine. Who gets burned up depends on nato keeping its nerve. They need to go in with trainloads of artillery + cluster bombs.
What do you advocate? Ukraine to surrender?
I'm being pretty much right over the last 8+ years of this..
Putin said this and Putin said that yadda putin has nuclear weapons yada yada and repeat every 6-12 months
The Ukrainans have it spot on
Couldn't organise a ride in a free brothel
Anyone who takes anything Putin says at face value needs their head examined. Everything he says is a lie. How many of his red lines have been crossed since he first threatened the world with nukes. You work away but I'd hope others won't engage as it turns the thread into a shítshow.
I don't know what would happen but if any kind of nuclear retaliation happened it would be the end of humanity. What do you think would happen?
It seems to me that the next Western step is very obvious indeed
Putin is basically saying Russia hasn't yet applied full military effort in Ukraine
The West should now, TODAY, say (collectively) "Neither have we"
May I suggest some historical research on the politics of MAD, SOP'S of the authorisation of the use of Nuclear Weapons in Russia ( hint: its not a big red button that Putin can depress at any moment. In fact, the American procedures have even less layers of confirmation procedures).
If Russia used such a weapon, NATO's response would be conventional and much more effective than a nuke fired in reply from the West.
Russia has 20 active nuclear-capable subs in operation at the moment and most of them are in the Black Sea at the moment, or as I predicted last week, moved to Novorossiya because Sevastopol has become untenable.
I can absolutely assure you that NATO knows exactly where those subs, command and control systems etc are situated. As I keep saying, watch Kaliningrad. That's the place to be hit first, conventionally. US Navy Arleigh Burke destroyers, with their excellent Agis systems are already in place near Kaliningrad and would intercept any missiles fired from the Missile sites in Kaliningrad.
NATO would begin an immediate conventional strike, for which they have had months to plan, and thus whole affair would be done in a week.
Plus. Keep an eye on the weather and wind directions. When they change direction, that's when Russia may strike.
Finally, nuclear weapons are not the world-ending destructive force normally portrayed in movies. Its the heat that kills you. The blast is huge, of course but to use one in Ukraine would have zero strategic value, especially since the only concentration of troops in any one point in Ukraine, are Russians. The Ukrainians are spread out and constantly moving.
I figure you may be quite young. There are many really good discussions on the Nuclear threat in Ukraine. Watch some of them and eat some fruit.
If you lived through the late 70's and 80's like most of use, you'd have a mental breakdown. Trust us, we've heard all this before, in even worse situations!
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