Reuters have withdrawn the report that bodies were found in Izium with ropes around their necks. They will issue a revised report.
What a gift to the apologists for Putin.
So far there's lots to learn , if these were regular burials I suspect it'd have been at a regular grave-yard or crematorium ,( there could be reasons) ,
It may still have been local who did the burying and put up the crosses ..
Ukraine has tried to avoid indiscriminate shelling of their own cities and people.. again there could be reasons...
Russia doesn't have great past form in this.
And Ukraine is going to publicise what they can to help their position ,one side has better form in being more truthfull in this ,possobly because the truth so far is so horrible they dont need to exaggerate ..
Who knows what horrors lie yet to be discovered ?
A bit far fetched that the Russians hit it purely out of spite and it just so happened to benefit their defense of Kherson along the Inhulets. They also hit a 2nd dam yesterday further North at Iskrivka, which will make the flooding worse again in short term. The goal is obviously to trap Ukrainians on the left side of the Inhulets.
Videos of Ukrainian trenches nearby being totally swamped with rising waters too, soon to be trenchfoot season 🤢
The idea that propaganda isn’t a weapon in war used by all is slightly silly.
You'd have to question why someone could blame Ukraine for taking NATO weapons, or criticise anyone for aiding Ukraine. Seriously, it's important that be questioned, don't give those two a fools' pardon.
Nobody is saying the people buried in these grave weren’t murdered as deliberately shelling civilians is a war crime.
So far the the dead have largely been discovered in single/individual marked graves not some pit in the a wooded area. I don’t think the Russians, going by there history would have bothered burying people in individual graves let alone marking them with crosses.
Lots more pro-Russian officials getting assassinated in occupied territory:
In the city of Luhansk, a bomb blast killed the prosecutor-general of the Russian-backed self-proclaimed Luhansk People's Republic (LPR), Sergei Gorenko, and his deputy, Ekaterina Steglenko, at their offices, Russian-appointed LPR administrator Leonid Pasechnik said on the Telegram messaging app.
In southern Ukraine, Russian-installed officials said two local officials had been killed overnight in a "double murder", which they also blamed on Ukraine.
Oleg Boyko, deputy head of the administration of the port town of Berdiansk, and his wife, Lyudmilla, who headed a commission preparing a referendum on the Zaporizhzhia province joining Russia, were killed in their garage overnight on Friday, the city administration said.
link
This is the kind of madness that Russia tries to sow in Western minds. That Ukraine are "very good at manipulating the news agenda", as if Russia hadn't crossed the border and invaded them! It's just too transparent though.
I don't want to derail the thread but this was basically his kind of logic. Someone could only be considered a covid death if they were otherwise completely healthy. The thing is a lot of those co-morbidities were things like hypertension and diabetes - things that people could have easily lived for decades more with had they not gotten covid and died.
Extrapolating from Claire Daly & Mick Wallace's stance all these deaths should be on our conscience i.e. those that believe the WEST should have helped Ukraine to stand up to RuZZia as we advocated for prolonging the war. If it wasn't for the West's support Ukraine would have lost quickly and a benevolent Ruzzia would not have committed these atrocities. Riiiiiight
Anyone voting for these two are as bad as them.
Lol
In what sense - ??
As in Foolish people are horrified by the discovery of hundreds of murdered civillian graves , ?
I'm sure some of them tied their hands together then shot themselves before falling into graves and dieing of natural causes ..
You lads 🤣 your mistaking me with some other posters. I’m referring to Reuters reports not some kangaroo organisation and I’ve left my comment open ended as the facts on the ground may change. It’s easy to jump up and down on this thread as it’s devoid of actual facts.
Do you think your condition will be mentioned on the death cert?
That said, in the scenario that you describe if you had a positive PCR test and were then run over by a bus, the UK would have added you to Covid deaths stastistic. Ironic eh?
What are you even on about?
People have been found with ropes around their necks and hands and your talking about not raining in my parade.
You lads are some piece of work.
The word of the day is "bandwagon". Repeat after me ladies and gentlemen: BANDWAGON.
Upon which, during inclement weather, rain may fall.
Not all of them sorry to rain on your bandwagon. The intial figure was 440 and apparently 200 more have since been discovered. no mass graves sites such as those in Bosnia have been found as of yet. How many is multiple 2,4 nobody has said. I don’t think the Russians would have taken the time to erect crosses.
Here the Reuters piece note there are no pictures of ditches with bodies.
Saw a few videos last night where people were saying that the dam in Kryvyi Rih was blown as a means of washing away Ukrainian pontoon bridges on the Inhulets river in Kherson - thereby cutting off Ukrainians in the central bridgehead and leaving them exposed to Russian aircraft. However other videos (and a podcast) seemed to think that it was done purely out of spite and had no strategic purpose.
Not sure what to believe.
As you do.
With ropes around there neck and hands???
I have a condition. If a bus runs over me tomorrow and I die, what kills me? The bus driving over me or my condition?
The people discovered in Izyum weren’t buried in mass graves. It’s 400 Individual graves largely and now there’s reports of an additional 200. Now the deliberate shelling of civilians is in itself a war crime but the people found seem not to have been summarily executed.
But the only reason people were left dead on the streets in Bucha is because the Russians had to beat a hasty retreat at a moment's notice. Had they stayed in occupation in Bucha for months (as happened in Izyum), those people would have been buried in mass graves.
If you take it a step further back, I wonder what has been going on in the occupied territories since 2014. There were always anecdotal reports of people disappearing and never being seen again. Apparently these rumours filtered through to Russian speakers in free Ukraine and made many of them all the more resolute about wanting to remain in Ukraine when this current invasion occurred this year.
Ireland had about 180 deaths where Covid was the only cause of death, and four out of every five deaths attributed to Covid had at least three other condition on the death certificate.
So your pal was failry on the money there.
In fact the dead a not buried in ditches or left where they were murdered like Bucha. They were buried in individual graves last spring by local most likely. Ukrainian officials are distancing themselves from the Bucha reference.
@phildstewart
(Reuters) - Around 200 wooden crosses were found on Friday at a site near Izium in northeastern Ukraine, Reuters witnesses said, possibly marking a second mass grave in an area recaptured in recent days by Ukrainian forces.
MORE-
Men in white overalls have begun exhuming bodies at the site, located on the edge of a cemetry in the northwest of Izium, the witnesses said. Some 20 white body bags were visible.
MULTIPLE BODIES AT MASS BURIAL SITE IN UKRAINE'S IZIUM FOUND WITH ROPE AROUND THEIR NECKS AND WITH HANDS TIED - REUTERS WITNESSES - Reuters News
@MelSimmonsFCDO (UK Ambassador to Ukraine)
#Izium is unfolding as a site of horrific war crimes. Mass grave. Bodies that show signs of having been tortured. As 🇺🇦 land is liberated, death is uncovered. Justice for crimes committed by 🇷🇺 in 🇺🇦 must go hand in hand with rebuilding.
You mean the Russian regime are fools who were tricked repeatedly into starting an Invasion against their own interests ..tricked into the build up spring 21 , tricked into increasing that build up , tricked into carrying through the invasion,tricked Into keeping going when they realized they'd bitten off more than they could chew.
Were they fooled into action in 2014 too,
Fooled into putting a war chest in place for this invasion? Fooled into trying to make Europe more energy dependant ( other fools there too)
Russia seems to be run by total fools..
I'm sure the Americans are looking at Ukraine from their own strategic point of view.for them it's a win win scenario..
For Ukraine it's life or death ( a lot of death unfortunately)
In all honesty is anyone remotely surprised if it is? All it can do now is further harden resolve
Disgusting. Where are the Russia apologists now? They'll somehow blame this on America. I await the Iraq whataboutry
![Photo of [Deleted User]](https://we.vanillicon.com/v2/e050b53be62f0ae2404c620976170938.svg)
![Photo of [Deleted User]](https://we.vanillicon.com/v2/eedacf599b4135dfd56d6fdbddcbd867.svg)
