There is a passport check at boarding gate in Dublin - the exact same as if you used online check-in and didn't have any bag to check-in. There's no passport checking at security
Ireland doesn't impose passport checks on exit - the only obligation is on the airline to verify you have a passport (if required by your destination country) before allowing boarding.
presumably if you had flown with ID only it would also have been acceptable? I know you can't with Ryanair.
I'd say there are extra checks coming into London at the moment.
i was in London yesterday- flew into Stanstead. There was a policeman standing at the bottom of the stairs alighting the plane checking ( visually ) passports.
But that's no different to checking in online and going straight through security and to your boarding gate.
You enter your passport details to check in anyway.
French ATC strike announced for Friday. 50% reduction in flights departing from, arriving in or overflying France will result as usual. More misery for travellers ahead I'm afraid.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.euronews.com/travel/amp/2022/09/14/severe-disruption-half-of-flights-to-and-from-france-to-be-grounded-on-friday-as-workers-s
Why would there be?
Theres no passport check arriving in DUB by car or bus. Your passport is only checked at the boarding gate to match your ticket and on arrival for immigration purposes in the Schengen country.
But you don't need a passport to fly from Kerry to Dublin. So they can't prevent you from boarding in Kerry without one. You keep quiet about having an onward ticket. Then on landing go to the self-connection area in Dublin... so is there a passport check at that stage?
At the same point as if you have checked in online and received your boarding pass for your Schengen flight.
So if somebody is self-connecting from Kerry to Dublin to Schengen (or further afield) at what point is a passport check done?
Wouldn't a proper road connection to Shannon be more useful though?
What's available on the KIR flight is facilitated self connections, you can't buy a single ticket that provides any guarantees of rebooking in case of a late first leg, or through checked bags, or any other elements of a normal connecting ticket.
https://corporate.ryanair.com/news/ryanair-to-launch-unsubsidised-dublin-kerry-route-lower-fares-to-save-irish-taxpayer-e3-95m-p-a/
it's not a PSO route any more, that's how the discussion came about!
It’s not meant to make a profit - it’s PSO.
A new rule was introduced during this summer that enabled Kerry originating transit pax without checked in luggage to remain airside for transfer between T1 to T2 at DUB. Pax with checked in luggage still have to collect it and recheck in again/do security landside. I'm not sure that there is a high % of pax that benefit from this as most transit pax are long haul pax with luggage to check in. I doubt many short haul pax with no luggage will use DUB as a transit airport just to fly an hour or two to UK or Europe. They might as well drive/bus it to ORK, SNN or DUB if that's the case. Still it's a better than nothing perk for those that it does benefit.
Losing Aer Lingus Regional was a big loss for North America bound pax from Kerry in particular as they could check their luggage to their end destination at KIR, land and remain airside at T2 for transit and avoid security queues etc in DUB. I'm not sure if Donegal still enjoys this perk with Emerald.
A couple of my siblings who have travelled the KIR -DUB route midweek have said the load factor was only around 20/25% on those occasions so hopefully the weekend loads are making the route profitable!
There was a man providing connections the last time I flew in on the evening flight from Kerry. I overhead him saying, "Do you have any bags checked in?" to the person. It would be good if the advertised it, as there is quite a selection of evening flights that would be possible off that Kerry.
domestics like donegal and kerry can do this i think
I think they have a deal with Kerry flights from Ryanair, and Kerry flights only. Can use connections.
Kerry airport are on the ball so maybe they pushed this during the security fiascos, I don't know.
He obviously had no checked bags!
Not entirely true.
I flew this route in July, arriving back at the 200 gates and walking up the corridor before passport check a guy standing next to an opened door shouted out ‘anyone for connections?’.
Someone from our flight walked over and said he was going to Newcastle, was asked to present boarding pass and allow exit for connections.
That has never been a condition before as the priority is to ensure regional access (within the country). I have often thought it would be a great thing to do and would really enhance international access. Imagine if businesses could see seamless connections from say Atlanta to Cork or Kerry, only one change. It would be brilliant imo. I would imagine it would be difficult technically to achieve with different airlines operating different systems etc.
Fully understand but if it went to PSO could a condition be that it must offer full connections (not sure if there is a technical term - "interline" maybe).
Hopefully this will ease the crazy prices slightly.
They offer very limited connections in specific airports now. However they're never going to offer feed to EI.
Yes partly true. There can be a PSO if the commercial operator doesn't meet the terms of what would be a PSO. For example if FR were to cut back to 1 service a day the government may decide that that's insufficent and the public would be better served under a PSO.
The cynic in me would say that Ryanair can build up the route, pull back on the service, force a PSO tender and then win it. However if it's commercially viable, the free market should kick in and attract others to offer the service. Either way I tihnk it's great that such capacity is currently viable and hope that FR will keep doing what they're doing.
Ryanair famously only a point to point airline , no connections and no hubs .... try and book a connecting flight on the same ticket... cant be done on Ryanair
Great to hear the route is doing well with Ryanair but would it be more successful with connections to the trans atlantic network?
There can't be a PSO when there is an existing commercial operator
Here is an interesting quotation from a 2021 Dept of Transport document on PSOs:
"A Member State, following consultations with the other Member States concerned and after having informed the Commission, the airports concerned and air carriers operating on the route, may impose a public service obligation in respect of scheduled air services between an airport in the Community and an airport serving a peripheral or development region in its territory or on a thin route to any airport on its territory any such route being considered vital for the economic and social development of the region which the airport serves. That obligation shall be imposed only to the extent necessary to ensure on that route the minimum provision of scheduled air services satisfying fixed standards of continuity, regularity, pricing or minimum capacity, which air carriers would not assume if they were solely considering their commercial interest."
On the face of it, it seems to me that Ryanair would have to discontinue the current service in order for consideration of a PSO arrangement to arise.
I've done it twice. Over 150 on it both times. So that's two ATR's when you work it out! I'd say it is quiet on some of the midweek days, but gets very strong weekend traffic in both directions. The MAX seems to feature regularly on a Sunday as that's the planned schedule for that aircraft that day (it goes to Girona after). The fact that they book end the flight with a longer one, seems to work well for them.
