There are no washing machines left in the old territories, hence the need to win new ones.
Take a look at Alsace Lorraine, That was a 2,000 year old dispute that caused 150 million + deaths in Europe over 2 millenia. That is your solution , this problem pales in comparison. The population has not moved, they are still there and yet war between Germany and France a mere 70 years later is inconceivable.
The solution is short term Ukraine pre 2014 borders in the EU, without the criminal stain of ethnic cleansing (5 to 10 years). Medium term (10 to 20), Georgia, Azerbaijan and Armenia in EU. Long term Russia and Belarus in EU (20 to 40). Russia needs to face the reality that EU and NATO and never have had any interest in interfering in Russia the only interest they had was peaceful co-existance. The true issue Russia faces is China.
Apparently not everyone got the memo
Surprisingly frank admissions from this guy on state TV. He admits that the war is going badly and that Kharkiv was a defeat. The narrative has definitely changed a huge amount in the last week.
"If the people living in Donbas are majority Russian speaking, why should they leave?"
Depends when they arrived doesn't it? A proportion at least will be Russian settlers brought in post 2014 to bolster territorial claim. This happens often enough and these may expect to be expelled.
Those there a generation or two or more are a different case.
No, hundreds of thousands did Timmy in both directions. All that are left in Kosovo and Bosnia are enclaves, and an enclave is just that. There's no integration. The enclaves only survive with UN/EU/Kfor protection. It happened to civilians on both sides too during the war depending on the ebb and flow, not just to the Croats and Bosnians. 150,000 - 200,000 Serbs left Krajina leaving only 5,000 elderly behind.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Serbian_Krajina
Would there be no risk of more well-off Russian families saying, "F*ck you. I'm not sending my children to war, just to make up for your sh*t planning and corrupt military."?
It's one thing for the Russian public to stick their heads in the sand over Ukraine when it was a "special military operation", but if anything is going to bring repressed misgivings about the whole situation right to the surface, it's going to be full mobilisation.
If you want someone to get the **** out of your home, don't block their exit, instead you can shut the door when they're gone.
Carlson needs to cut back on the Red Bull. Its giving him far to much wing!
The issue isn't that Russian speaking people,the Russian population of Donbas only equates to a 39% minority, the absolute majority of people living the donbas region are Ukrainian ,
For years people have been equating Russian speaking to being actually Russian,it's completely false and the reason why Russia used the excuse of protecting Russian speakers from genocide.
Even in Crimea the Russians barely had a majority, but yet 110% of the population voted to rejoin Russia despite large parts of the population were banned from voting in the sham referendum
Russians left outside Russia following the collapse of the Soviet Union rather resemble the French Pied-Noirs in Algeria. Ultimately, they'll have to get with the programme and reconcile themselves to life in their new reality or go back to Russia (excuse my Barney Gumbleism here). They are not culturally ascendent any more, and they need to start coping with the phantom pain of the lost Russian Empire.
Regretably, they have in Putin an anti-De Gaulle who is more concerned with enflaming and concocting Russian grievances for Kremlin ends' in the near-abroad rather than accepting things as they are.
And what's more, while France was France, and independant Algeria was pretty much a sh*tbox, Ukraine offered ethnic Russians a decent future in the path to European integration. That's actually what terrified Putin the most.
I do wish people would stop equating the two. Especially in this country where the English speakers have no desire to rejoin the UK. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there's an overlap, particularly if Russian speakers are filling their heads with RT but it's definitely incorrect to think that all the Russian speakers want to be part of Russia.
Lol, oh the turntables
It has to drag on. That is until Russia is beaten, and completely destroyed militarily, so that it does not pose any threat to Ukraine ( or any other Country's either.) Putin started it, and until he finishes it, or its finished for him, yes, it will drag on.
You might not be well off for much longer with that attitude…
Captured stuff-
Another lad who needs to check his windows:-
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11206191/Russian-war-correspondent-accidentally-reveals-catastrophic-losses-Ukraine-state-TV.html
Explosion reported in Belgorod region
So, trying to quell discontent with violence... Bit like trying to put out a fire by dousing it with petrol.
How do you rid/relieve Russia of the 6,000 odd nuclear war heads it supposedly has. Even if there are question marks over their usefulness/ functionality the fact that they have WMD grade enriched uranium that could get into the hands of post Putin nutters means the place / resigme can never be trusted😡😡
I'm going to come back to this particular comment in 48 hours...
Anyone seen Lavrov recently? It seems like it’s been ages since his vile mouth was ranting.
There was an english journalist in Aleppo, Syria. Does this mean Syria is in UK hands?
Or the boat or the tea or the door knob, or...when you open your mouth the wrong way a lot of common things suddenly become deadly.
Lots of conflicting reports about Davydiv Brid, Kherson. Some say Ukraine broke through, others say nothing happening, others say Ukraine broke through but were counter attacked.
I speculated a few weeks back this area was a key point in the Russian defence. If it goes, then a large chunk of the northern part of the Russian occupied area may be cut from supply.
He's been given a visa to go to the UN in New York so I'm sure he'll be back on our screens real soon.
He had an avuncular meeting with the leader of Hamas yesterday in Moscow.
Content to throw Israeli relations overboard as well it appears. One that Russia will regret in time.
Last I heard of him, he stole a plane in Russia, flew to Ukraine where he was arrested, and is now in a Ukrainian prison, studying Astrology Charts.
Putin and Scholz held a telephone conversation for the first time since May
a deal may be in the offing
Do you guys honestly think that the majority of people in luhansk donbas or crimea give as much thought to ethnicity and politics as we do on this thread or that the propaganda would have us believe? It just seems unlikely to me that ordinary people getting by week to week care about anything other than peace, security and opportunity for their family. If it were up to the ordinary people of the world there would be no wars.
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