Completely agree, especially in the summer months. It would be a great additional route for in the winter though. The weather is great there then and can be an excellent break from the winter months here. Also, although I don't expect the regular TUI clientele to go for this, Cancun offers a lot of very affordable connections around Mexico and to the rest central America/Cuba/Colombia, bypassing generally more expensive connections in the US.
https://twitter.com/SeanM1997/status/1551877802558951425
https://www.businesstraveller.com/business-travel/2022/07/26/el-al-to-expand-eastwards/
EL AL announcing Tel Aviv-Dublin 3x weekly for 2023
Not a fan of the timings to TLV. Arriving at 5:10am is going to be rough.
Anybody out around DUB today? United flight this morning. Pilot heard a loud bang at 16,000 feet while climbing after take off.
Said nothing until he landed in Dublin. Didn’t even have emergency services on stand by. Just off the plane while doing the walk around and was like. Oh that’s what the loud noise was 🤣
What can only be described as a large chunk near the tail end.
UA have to send over a team of engineers and sheet metal workers to inspect it and report. Before it can be touched. then repairs work can start.
AAIU will presumably be involved also.
Why would they have emergency services on standby if they didn't know what happened? A bang with no parameter shifts etc could be anything,that's not near tail end,thats the pack bay access door missing
Who knows, I have seen guys call the trucks for the most minor of things.
Emirates returns to a double daily service to Dubai starting tomorrow Sept 1st for the first time in 2.5 years.
I was on FR122 yesterday. DUB-LGW 2 hours buttoned up waiting for permission to go from Gatwick .... time of planned departure 1340, actual wheels up 1540. We were doors closed at 1335 . Just so folks know .....
Thats pretty frustrating for such a short flight (or any flight, I guess). What was the hold up on the LGW end?
ATC shortages at Gatwick yesterday
IIRC NATS lost the LGW terminal contract to DFS a few years ago. The Ts&Cs in this new operation were vastly inferior to NATS, so all the folks with decent experience left. Even before COVID there was a critical global shortage of ATCOs (as Karlsruhe, Marseille and others amply demonstrated). NATS I believe got the contract back but it likely explains why LGW is particularly badly affected.
Explains why SNN LGW was delayed 3 hours yesterday aswell. FR1182 due to depart 6.05 departed at 9.05.
Out of interest, How's the Kerry <-> Dublin Ryanair route performing? I see the Max8 assigned to it tonight (Probs for the Gareth brooks concerts) but just on average!
Hopefully it’s performing well
I wouldn’t gauge it on the max doing it though, the max is probably cheaper to operate on it than the regular 73s so not necessarily an indicator of it being busier
Other than for travel within the next couple of days, the fares between DUB and KIR and vv over the next couple of weeks seem to be €20 each way at the moment. What does that suggest?
I was actually wondering that myself yesterday as one passed over me in Kildare at a cruise altitude of 16000ft!!
I presume they're making money from it given that they have kept it for so long. Possibly they are building up the route so that they can tender for the PSO when it comes along.
I've done it twice. Over 150 on it both times. So that's two ATR's when you work it out! I'd say it is quiet on some of the midweek days, but gets very strong weekend traffic in both directions. The MAX seems to feature regularly on a Sunday as that's the planned schedule for that aircraft that day (it goes to Girona after). The fact that they book end the flight with a longer one, seems to work well for them.
Here is an interesting quotation from a 2021 Dept of Transport document on PSOs:
"A Member State, following consultations with the other Member States concerned and after having informed the Commission, the airports concerned and air carriers operating on the route, may impose a public service obligation in respect of scheduled air services between an airport in the Community and an airport serving a peripheral or development region in its territory or on a thin route to any airport on its territory any such route being considered vital for the economic and social development of the region which the airport serves. That obligation shall be imposed only to the extent necessary to ensure on that route the minimum provision of scheduled air services satisfying fixed standards of continuity, regularity, pricing or minimum capacity, which air carriers would not assume if they were solely considering their commercial interest."
On the face of it, it seems to me that Ryanair would have to discontinue the current service in order for consideration of a PSO arrangement to arise.
There can't be a PSO when there is an existing commercial operator
Great to hear the route is doing well with Ryanair but would it be more successful with connections to the trans atlantic network?
Ryanair famously only a point to point airline , no connections and no hubs .... try and book a connecting flight on the same ticket... cant be done on Ryanair
Yes partly true. There can be a PSO if the commercial operator doesn't meet the terms of what would be a PSO. For example if FR were to cut back to 1 service a day the government may decide that that's insufficent and the public would be better served under a PSO.
The cynic in me would say that Ryanair can build up the route, pull back on the service, force a PSO tender and then win it. However if it's commercially viable, the free market should kick in and attract others to offer the service. Either way I tihnk it's great that such capacity is currently viable and hope that FR will keep doing what they're doing.
They offer very limited connections in specific airports now. However they're never going to offer feed to EI.
Hopefully this will ease the crazy prices slightly.
Fully understand but if it went to PSO could a condition be that it must offer full connections (not sure if there is a technical term - "interline" maybe).
That has never been a condition before as the priority is to ensure regional access (within the country). I have often thought it would be a great thing to do and would really enhance international access. Imagine if businesses could see seamless connections from say Atlanta to Cork or Kerry, only one change. It would be brilliant imo. I would imagine it would be difficult technically to achieve with different airlines operating different systems etc.
Not entirely true.
I flew this route in July, arriving back at the 200 gates and walking up the corridor before passport check a guy standing next to an opened door shouted out ‘anyone for connections?’.
Someone from our flight walked over and said he was going to Newcastle, was asked to present boarding pass and allow exit for connections.
He obviously had no checked bags!
I think they have a deal with Kerry flights from Ryanair, and Kerry flights only. Can use connections.
Kerry airport are on the ball so maybe they pushed this during the security fiascos, I don't know.
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