Mod- Thread title updated to reflect what has actually happened, and the op's text link has been turned into a working link
Lazy effort op, don't do it again
Threadbanned
john123470
You will understand that I don’t think what you have written makes any sense and has no application to my posts here. Some posters do not understand the structures of Irish second level education. Some do and understand that behind Mr Burke’s objections lie the very basis of the structures of legally guaranteed denominational education.
I recommend the ignore function available on desktop version of Boards. You can go to your profile, find the button with the small human head and shoulders on it, click that, click ignore list on the drop down and type in my name. Click ok and you need never again be bothered with my posts which you find of no value.
And yet again, you have just proven my point.
My post wasn't for your benefit. It was for the benefit of those who are getting sucked into the spiral questions and "I know you are but what am I" level of posting and may not realise it.
I see. Odd that you addressed it to me then but never mind. I shall take my own advice about the ignore button.
I shall take my own advice about the ignore button.
You probably won't, though.
As someone who supports trans rights, a jail sentence strikes me as using a sledgehammer to crush a fly. It's disappointing that a solution not involving resort to the criminal justice system has not been found.
I haven't once said that religious control should be retained.
Just as with the previous post, you're assigning a position to me that I didn't make.
There's no evasion. If you can manage to actually deal with what I wrote, in the context of what I was replying to (the quoted post), then I'm fine with discussing the topic. But two posts on, and you've consistently sought to argue over positions I didn't put forward.
TBH I suspect you didn't bother reading my post at all.
I’ve read and re read your posts. What I’ve done is pointed out the implications of your position and said if religion has been reduced to ethics then there is no point to religious patrons. And that you should see what they say to that.
In reply you said they teach morality AND religion. They are not teaching dogma and are just presenting other religions too.
Your initial reply was to Hotblack about religious instruction. You said religion was about being a better person and indoctrination no longer takes place. Parents are happy with that according to you.
I’m going to give this link where the Minister explains the current position of religion in schools.
To see religion in a RC school read what is done in a Dublin school.
To apply this to your posts: Junior Cycle exam RE is according to the Minister not catechesis. In other words it meets your description. Except Houston, we have a problem. The RC hierarchy regard it as meeting their needs for faith formation. So it is simultaneously not catechesis/indoctrination and it is. Now look at senior cycle. Here religion is catechetical. Look at the statements about faith and the content supplied above.
Next consider teaching morality and being a better person in a Catholic school. What must colour that teaching? Catholic teaching. Do you think they teach that abortion is moral? Do they change Church teaching that homosexuals are intrinsically disordered or just not mention it you think?
If you look at primary education and preparation for sacraments in school time you must see that your claims about religion are simply unsustainable.
The point I am making to you is that if religion has been reduced to what you say then there is absolutely no need for religious control of schools. The fact is that they insist on keeping that control to teach religion so that they can indoctrinate. Sometimes plainly and sometimes subtly.
Bring that back to this thread and a vulnerable student exposed to the events in that school precisely because a teacher believes that he can invoke ethos as the divine trump card. Would it not be better if the state ended any possibility of other vulnerable students being exposed to similar by removing any religious control and ethos? By stopping the fiction that religion is really all the same as modern human rights based equality?
A lengthy reply. I read posts and replies (except those on ignore) and I will challenge any post that thinks that religious control, no matter how harmless some imagine it to be, is good.
Burke finding himself in a prison cell has nothing to do with trans rights, and everything to do with him ignoring a high court injunction.
He is NOT in prison for refusing to use a preferred name or pronouns.
Seriously 45 pages of posts and this still needs to be explained?
Oh, we've called the poster out on it before. More than once.
By your logic, we should be hearing of complaints to the school about the injunction at this stage... Since your hypothetical referendum is unlikely to ever happen, the absence of any people from the school or associated with the school jumping to his defence says enough.
Is he not in jail for ignoring an injunction brought by a school over an incident whose origins are his refusal to recognise a trans person. So to say there is zero connection between his trans issues and his confinement is a bit disengenous. That's like saying the rossport 5's imprisonment had zero connection to oil and gas.
The longer he is in the more coverage it will get
He behaved unprofessionally in front of both staff, students and parents. He didn't approach the principal in a remotely professional way so pretty clear grounds for suspension. This also showed a disregard for the well-being of students. He was deservingly suspended for it and if anything, it seems pretty clear that he wanted to end up in trouble hence the altercation.
No. It wasnt that he refused to recognise a trans person. He wanted the whole school to do so.
But that is really not the point at all. He isnt in jail because of that. He is in jail because he was suspended for his behaviour in how he addressed the issues publicly and continued to harass the Principal when addressing the issues and then defied a court injunction. Many want to portray this as if he was jailed for not using pronouns. That is disingenuous.
You referenced them as the silent majority, angle, I just pointed out that anyone trying to claim that the majority of people silently support them when it comes to issues like this have ended up having their arse handed to them.
If the majority of the school population including the parents didn't support the injunction, I would say that there would be some form of evidence to back this up.
As for your call in a later post for refurendum on trans rights and that would be evidence of the way the population feels about the issue, what part of the constitution would this refurendum be based on given laws such as the Gender Recognition Act 2015 are in place?
Lots of people voice anti-trans sentiments and somehow stay out of jail. Odd, huh?
There's a connection, but that's not why he's there. He could purge his attempt, maintain his beliefs and walk free this afternoon.
The article isn't about him so not sure what coverage you are talking about. It is a explanation of what contempt of court is.
Might be a handy explanation however for those who continue to falsely claim why he is jail, which by doing, and if claiming to be a religious person they must also realise that they are breaking one of the ten commandants.
Yet it's already dropped from the headlines.
Excellent post..one of your better ones!
I know - I just don't get the appreciation around here....
The criminal justice system won’t sort this either though- those courts will only be interested on a crime being committed, not how teachers should respond to children transitioning - as I’ve said a few times here we’re not laughing with him, we’re laughing at him - he looks like a complete fool
As someone who lived through internment and supported the rossport 5 you'll find that this type of imprisonment should leave a very bad taste in anyones mouth. You'll find that the judges and board members of Wilson's all move in the same circles. Golf gate ?
😐😐😐😐
So now its all a golfers conspiracy and nothing to do with Enoch Burkes actions.
Sorry now- I’m really trying hard here to determine what you’re saying- are you suggesting there’s a conspiracy between the board of management of the school and the judge that sent Burke to prison for contempt of court?
If you are, it’s bordering on David Ike levels of conspiracy
The two don't have to be mutually exclusive. A democratic governor lost lost his job to a nobody republican on the back of trans toilet issues in schools.
When I was in school, same.
But it's 2022 now.
No I'm saying these people have the same attitude and outlook on life. They are far removed from having to deal with the repercussions of the decisions they make.
You are correct. 100%. About everything.
It's everyone else who is wrong!
Here you go
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Joylife-Metallic-Fisherman-Reversible-Packable/dp/B07PHZNQBN/ref=asc_df_B07PHZNQBN/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=618068496438&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15384745245163165048&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1007848&hvtargid=pla-738368127311&psc=1
He's not in jail because of trans rights, he's there because he refused to adhere to a court injunction which required him to stay off the school grounds as he was suspended.
![Photo of [Deleted User]](https://w6.vanillicon.com/v2/6cf5dc758823be7b2ebdb601ec3d15b8.svg)
![Photo of [Deleted User]](https://w9.vanillicon.com/v2/975d229199ef1950ddf5036fc947d0f4.svg)
![Photo of [Deleted User]](https://w9.vanillicon.com/v2/9c6ef39403f5dc93bd4b9e77a11c1821.svg)
![Photo of [Deleted User]](https://wd.vanillicon.com/v2/d5a8197d7274f92eab37915a6d9f12a1.svg)
![Photo of [Deleted User]](https://wd.vanillicon.com/v2/dbba4c22aa1d352d2cdbb076e36aea8c.svg)
![Photo of [Deleted User]](https://wf.vanillicon.com/v2/f07ee44b0b39bbb635066da4046d9475.svg)
![Photo of [Deleted User]](https://wc.vanillicon.com/v2/c33618a99b1d02afaf5370e8c02bf147.svg)
![Photo of [Deleted User]](https://w6.vanillicon.com/v2/62877c35768f143f69acd7bb6cd43f3c.svg)