It's all falling apart alarmingly fast for Boris Johnson across the water. How long you reckon he has left as British Prime Minister? Hours surely?
How many parties are they talking about now? I've lost count.
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Truss is already hurtling towards economic disaster.
The mini budget has the markets reaching for the puke bucket and Sterling is only going one way.
What we saw this week is an act of Olympic-level economic illiteracy.
I said this to another hot-headed poster in the thread, the UK is in deep financial sh*t now, much more so than peer countries in Europe.
There's no safety net and no parachute. The sound of the UK going splat will ring around the world.
Actually, I don't know. Nor does anybody else.
Economics is stupid to predict, because it depends on so many human factors and factors beyond people's control (international effects etc.).
But, in principle, her conservative budget should yield dividends. If it doesn't, then some other, unknown future third-party effect will be the cause of undermining it, not because the budget itself is bad.
The markets response to the budget is they don’t like the pound and they think it will inflate. That’s not volatile, that’s a reaction to a terrible budget plan, price falling and yield rising so the price of borrowing will be horrific.
Good luck trying to spin this.
Which way do you think it's gonna go ?
Markets are volatile. What matters is the long-term dividend of her strategy and, if it works, that market volatility will be worth it in the end.
You must be a rich man to be able to afford that amount of gas for your lights.
Ehhhh, her budget caused the pound to tank.
Because the writing is on the wall just like it was with Johnson.
It's apt you quote Orwell.
"Oceania was at war with Eurasia: therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia"
I was clearly wrong, at that point in time.
Well you were a very vocal underminer of Liz yourself until you realized she was trashing Sunak.
A disaster you called her and said she would guarantee a Labour win in the next election.
Yet her budget the other day is hailed as the best conservative budget in decades - supporting people through lower taxes and incentivising business.
To date, she's done a very good job. If she keeps this up, and actually becomes more conservative and less Cameronian, she has a good chance of winning the party a fifth term in 2024. Yes, she might not be the slickest performer on the runway, but ultimately what matters is policy - and driving that policy through. That's what affects people's lives. Not how good a performer on the debating scene she happens to be.
But a lot can happen between now and then. So we'll have to see how she performs going forward - particularly in relation to the migrant crisis and the cost of living crisis and the energy crisis (note she has lifted the ban on fracking, too - another massive positive).
It absolutely was intended as mocking her, do you know how I know that because I made the post.... also the real reason nobody knows who she is is because she doesnt even know weho she is. She has changed her position on everything under the son too many times to count depending what would suit her career more. Shes an empty vessel being puppeteered by right wing lobbyists and think tanks.
Why has the thread title changed? Liz Truss will soon be toast? She's only just in the job.
It wasn't intended as mocking Liz Truss, it was an attempt to dismiss her by implying she's effectively invisible to everyone else; a means to undermine the conservative leader.
LOL as usual you take anything and everything mocking the tories far too personally
That's not quality content.
Many people, indeed many conservatives, in the UK, know very little about Liz Truss. Her premiership has quickly become overshadowed by the death of the Queen, so it's unsurprising that most countries in the world, including commonwealth countries, do not yet recognize her in the same way that Boris Johnson held.
If that's the best you can do, then that's the best you can do.
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Oops, someone needs a hug.
Heathrow runway 3? Hinkley Point C? Crossrail has been on the drawing board since the 70s and only opened this year.
You're completely missing the point btw. There are consituencies in the UK that will only ever be represented by a Tory MP. There are constituencies that will only ever be represented by a Labour MP. All minority voices, big and small, radical and mainstream are shut out. And MPs are routinely uniform Oxbridge spad types parchuted into safe constituencies where they have no links to because party HQ want to get their careers going.
You get no better governance, and inferior I'd argue - the UK's best days are behind it thanks to the Brexit howler - brought to you by first-past-the-post populism and a grubby, broken political system.
The UK are welcome to their electoral system and their country slowly going down the sh*tter. The divergance between the average quality of life in Ireland and the UK will grow (and in Ireland's comparitive favour in case you're confused).
She has been pretty anonymous throughout this week. Probably not worth the risk of her attempting to capitalize on this moment. More likely to fk it up.
Some quality content coming out of today
From Twitter...
A monarchist, an abolitionist, a Liberal Democrat, a Conservative, a Remainer and a Brexiteer go into a bar.
The Bartender says 'Here's your drink, Liz'
There has been a FG and FF TD in my town since the parties were established. Sounds pretty safe to me.
it isn’t the legislative process that takes an age, it is the initial decision making process. Because of the nature of coalition governments, an attempt is made to keep everyone happy and not upset anyone. public transport and the national childrens hospital are perfect examples of this. The debate and discussion takes so long, the decision ends up being parked until the next government and the next and so the project either never gets done, or delayed for so long it ends up with huge additional costs.
First past the post is the worst of all worlds.
It provides for simple majoritarianism and calcified "safe seats" for generations where a baboon in a Tory or Labour rosette badge can be carpetbagged into parliament.
You could spend your entire lifetime in a red or blue wall constituency never seeing your vote count if you happen to have a minority political viewpoint (and not a particularly unusual one at that).
Over time, it has a produced a markedly more polarised political system. The Oireachtas is positively mature compared to the circus and low-quality one sees in Westminster.
The legislative process is no quicker in the UK than it is in Ireland (in fact it's slower in Britain as the Irish civil service and parties we are well accustomed to the grind of coalitions negotiating positions, whereas internecine big tent party infighting is a lot more bloody in the UK) so the "get stuff done" thing is a myth.
We've had 7 general elections since 1990, the UK has had 8. No difference in terms of stability, but we have a far more pluralistic system.
That'll be the work houses back open so.
Secretary of State for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy. Seriously.
So, surely JRM, having completely failed in this post, hasn't been given any new responsibilities?
No, you didn't. This is a lie.
Anyway, we've gone off topic. I won't be responding to any more of this.
To get back on topic, Truss has dismantled the Brexit opportunities department. To save money or because there are no opportunities I don't know but most likely both.
I gave proof and you dismissed it as whataboutery.
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