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Lazy effort op, don't do it again
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john123470
This generally happens when religious dogma infects a persons mind. They use that religion to excuse subhuman behaviour, in Ireland we only have to look at the campaigns against SSM and abortion for that.
It’s a huge deal. Your argument is that they’re not doing religion anyway just morality so it doesn’t matter. Grand. There’s no point having religious patrons or religion timetabled at all. No point from a religious point of view to have schools legally obliged to have ethos or characteristic spirit statements. See how that flies with the various religious authorities.
Who gives a **** what the various religious authorities think?
At this point it should be called “Catholic Studies” in Irish schools. Calling it “religion” class or whatever is a bit misleading when it’s only based on one. Imagine the explosion in the Catholic heads if schools taught about Islam or Buddhism…I’d love to see that.
Poor guy- another night listening to Garth Brooks - the European Court of Human Rights will hear of this I tell ya!!!
I suppose a test might be some sort of public referendum on trans gender issues. Then we might see what the ordinary people up & down the state think of the issues raised.
Well you are in luck, they modern religious syllabus teaches about all mainstream religions.
FoxForce a few posts down has a link to an interesting article. The data is over a decade old, but this particular bit is unlikely to have changed much:
Children whose parents or guardians worked in the professional, managerial or technical sectors made up 46% of Catholic school students; 65% of multi-denominational school students, and 69% of minority faith school pupils
Another interesting bit here, which shows that at the time (which is probably still much the same today) relates to DEIS schools:
However, the Department of Education data also shows that:20.1% of multi-denominational school pupils are in DEIS schools
19.6% of Catholic school pupils are in DEIS schools
3.7% of minority faith school pupils are in DEIS schools.
Finally, regarding the catholic proportion attending various types of schools, your school with over 50% non-CoI might be an outlier. Of course, in some minority faith schools, the 70% of non-catholics among the student body might include children who are not of the headline sect, CoI in your case, but may claim to be an alternative protestant sect:
Among multi-denominational school pupils: 50% were Catholic, 19% were from “other” religions; 30% had no religious affiliation
Among minority faith school pupils: 30% were Catholic, and around 70% were from “other religions”
Among Catholic school pupils: 90% were Catholic.
The last point I'll mention here relates to numbers of travellers; again there were very few travellers in minority faith schools.
So in view of the first two points and the last one, it would seem quite fair to say that minority faith schools are elitest. And the vast majority of minority faith schools in the state are - drum roll - CoI.
Read it again, proportionally they are more diverse. So dogmatic Catholic schools are More likely to have travellers, additional needs, non Irish white students as a % of their school than corresponding ETB, ET,COI, Jewish or gaelscoils. Maybe all the latter are not as welcoming of difference as Catholic schools
They happen to be in charge of religious schools. The local bishop is the Patron of catholic and c o i schools. They appoint their person to the board of the school. The local parish priest or vicar would sit on the board of most religious primary schools which generally belong to the parish. They have a big say in employing teachers etc, unless all this has changed recently.
Do you get my drift.
It should be noted that Travellers are overwhelmingly catholic, so would attend catholic schools.
By that logic there should be no Catholics in non Catholic schools 🙄
That's a fairly feeble level of logic from you.
Extraordinary to see defence of denominational education in 2022. Truly bizarre.
I doubt you will ever get that. But honestly I dont understand what the big deal is. Since 2015 882 (including 15 people aged 16 or 17) people have got gender recognition certs. The world hasnt caved in and collapsed. Cis women still have all their human rights. Toilets and Prisons are not being invaded by thousands of rapists. There is no abuse of the GR Act. Its no big deal that trans people exist.
It would be helpful if you quoted the post where you believe this happened.
Do you support denominational education?
Nope. How would you infer that?
What makes you think I inferred it?
Why would you ask me about it?
Why not?
It’s a huge deal. Your argument is that they’re not doing religion anyway just morality so it doesn’t matter.
Nope. They teach religion too.. never said that they didn't. Just that they're not teaching religion in the same way it was done when my parents went to school, and it's softer again, since I went to school. I have no issue with religion being taught in schools, as I believe that children can decide for themselves what they want to believe when they become adults. Hence why some parents are fine with the way things are.
You're not really responding to what I wrote though, or considering the quoted piece I responded to..
We'll leave it there. I'm not going to argue about whether religion should or shouldn't be taught in schools. Been there, done that, and it's not worth the time spent.
Well, the answer is no. The question remains: where do you believe denominational education is being defended?
Evasion on your part. You say it’s not religion but you want religious control kept. Inconsistent.
My question remains.
Thread is getting very revealing. Everyone can see Mr Burke is totally out of order. The solution differs: some can see the necessary systemic reform needed to remove the basis of his or any future claims. Some just want him dealt with. And no further.
Very odd. Cui bono indeed.
They can care as long as they fund the school. Beyond that it's another reason why we should enact a secular state ASAP.
What question?
The one you didn’t answer.
You know, I haven't been able to respond much to this thread because of work, but I've been reading it.
You haven't actually made a solid contribution to the thread in a long time, and instead have been winding people around in nonsensical questions and statements that aren't actually saying anything or contributing anything. Before then accusing others of doing exact what you've been doing for pages now. I'm assuming in an attempt to cover up that you aren't making any sense.
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