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Lazy effort op, don't do it again
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john123470
It's complicated, but not that complicated:
Burke is employed by WHS, presumably under a contract of employment, presumably one that sets out what's expected of him, what's expected of the school, and presumably referring to the usual, lawful, disciplinary procedures that are in effect in that employment. His behaviour caused those disciplinary procedures to be invoked, he breached the suspension that arose from them on multiple occasions, he was injuncted... etc., etc., and we are where we are. And he's in Mountjoy.
The same would have happened if it had been an RC school, an Educate Together one, or a non-denominational one. The fact that WHS is CoI-ethos is irrelevant.
The word gender has been used in legislation here since at least 1830, I doubt if they were thinking of trans people back that far.
My point is that the word will have been defined previously in law, and we may even have contradictory meanings in different laws.
The fact that the school at the starting point of this is CoI is profoundly relevant to the argument that Mr Burke put forward initially. He based his argument precisely on its ethos and that of the founder.
We all know the injunction is separate to that of his argument. The matter on the whole is that complicated but the injunction is a simpler process which you have summarised.
I’m glad you can see the relevance of the mechanism beyond the current case to other religious patrons. Educate Together may have a different structure and ethos. It could not have happened in a non denominational school where there could be no appeal to a parallel authority with scriptures and theology and god. You are wrong on that.
But as a matter of fact the CoI school is the one Mr Burke based his argument because as a school with religious patron and ethos and characteristic spirit it had the grounds for him to appeal to. Claiming it is irrelevant to that wider picture is totally wrong.
I have explained this several times to you and I think you will agree that as someone who wants me to stop posting that you should add me to your ignore list.
It doesn't really matter what his argument is or was, his actions have rendered it moot and instead made it about his behaviour. He may wish to make arguments to justify why he did x, y or z, but none of it will matter a jot as none of it can be used as a basis to excuse his behaviour and all reviews of the issue (school disciplinary hearing, court, WRC, teaching council etc) will only look at his behaviour and the impact it had on his role, his responsibilities and those under his charge.
Agreed. It does not matter in the least to the High Court. He may be able to introduce it elsewhere but as I said a long time ago he picked the wrong hill.
That still doesn't amount to a huge amount, eg the second amendment in the US didn't imagine modern day firearms either. And in the case of the Irish constitution, we've largely adapted it to present day standards at this stage. So accomodations for the complexity of gender are more likely to align with that at a supreme court level.
It's as separate from the CoI as my nearest national and secondary schools are from the RC church
This is not so, TD. This is not "just another CoI school". This is a Diocesan school. Think of somewhere like St Canice's in Kilkenny - where boys looking to be priests in the diocese of Ossory were likely to go.
Sure, times have changed and few enough kids go on to become priests in either sect, but the relationship between the school and the diocese is stronger than other schools of the same ethos.
He was suspended for his behaviour not for his opinion on the schools policy. None of this will be relevant in his disciplinary hearing
Yes. We all know that.
Twitter is great sometimes.
Either you don't know your history, or you're trying to save face after a poor analogy by dragging in a bumch of wokeists who are nothing to do with the sitation. Probably both.
The witches never went after the pitchfork holders.
I think you might get more engagement on the conspiracy forum
’alphabet zealots’.
The state of that. It amazes me that an actual adult talks like this.
Be nice. He was up all night crafting that.
But most of the kids there aren't CoI as far as I know. I went to Finians in Mullingar. That's a diocessian school. And everyone there was catholics. Non Catholics weren't allowed (That might have changed). I had friends who went to Wilsons. Most of the people I knew who went there weren't CoI. They were catholic. It was a co-educational boarding school and was considered very liberal for the time.
He has a strong faith argument and a belief that to accede to the order gives the school grounds to suspend him, effectively for his faith. There's not much room to move there and it will drag on.
Have you any concept of weird that sounds?
Burke isn’t being cancelled because he didn’t agree with them, he is in jail for ignoring a court injunction. You are not being cancelled either, posters just don’t agree with you.
Child bullying can bring out strong reactions, not just from the 'cancel culture'.
Scraping the barrel to excuse the mob
Whatever way you want to put it, but it was always going to get a reaction, obviously not the one Burke intended but hey.
His reasoning has been widely reported. I'm referring to his version of how things unfolded - the facts of the matter, the actual events that brought about his suspension. It's not at all unusual when these things are interrogated and laid sequentially from both sides, that what actually occurred differs from what people think occurred.
Societies with unresolved issues eh? Like money which was "just resting" in an account for instance?
Rest assured they'll always find a way. Sacramental prep during school time is great for reminding the "hellbound" of their place.
What a country...
🙄 Both... both sides Donald.
Agree. Burke and their ilk are idiots. Fundamentalist idiots.
However he/they are right here. A teacher should not be forced to use incorrect language pronouns. What happens if the child decides tomorrow that they are a fish, does he have to (or be forcefully requested not forced) to address the student as "here fishy fishy". Pandering woke 2022 nonsense at its finest.
To be 100% clear, I dislike people like Burke. I don't agree with their religious beliefs. But this has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with leftist nonsense being forced on society at large.
As other posters here and on Twitter have noted, what if Mr Burke decided his god told him something else was unacceptable?
For Burke or anyone else who hears voices in their head telling them to do things, it's up to them to attempt to square their reality with the physical world everyone else experiences.
But really all religion should be removed from all taxpayer-funded schools, and Mr Burke is only helping to accelerate the Irish public's desire for this to happen.
FYI there are no non-denominational taxpayer-funded schools in Ireland.
"strong argument" my.... He doesn't have a leg to stand on given the law and his employer's stance.
What has TG, or even cancel culture got to do with this thread?
Who hopes he is assaulted in jail?
The cognitive dissonance of the second paragraph is fcuking astounding!!!
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