I'd agree - Phoenix is a magazine that most of us have heard of. It hasn't had the same bile, or editorial quality, since Paddy wandered off. Never trust a publication that doesn't put the name of the hack on the byline.
Don't feed the troll. She claims to have never heard of Phoenix Magazine.
Do you mind me asking why you listened rather than reading? Again I'd suggest trying to read the article, it's not overly challenging
Genuinely not a clue, I expect most SF economic proposals to be written in crayon so I don't tend to delve too deeply.
I was just pointing out that he didn't claim houses were costing €65k to build.
Thats why I'm confused, where does the other 70% come from? Are the Council's supposed to provide 70%, I thought SF wanted to do away with LPT so presumably Council funding would come from the State.
I'd expect this is the relevant part, BA:
He said the current system for public housing includes only 30 per cent of construction costs, and claimed Sinn Féin would not change the system, just expand it.
Which would mean the cost of building would be €216,666, of which the government would fund 30%, e.g. €65,000.
Note this should not be taken as a support for O'Broin's comments, and certainly not as support of SF's economic position. I'm purely sharing how I read the article.
I asked you to explain, fire ahead please. I listened and I’m confused so please explain
If you read the article you might understand what he is saying
HQ sent out an email today asking their online activists to be respectful, accurate, legally sound, use appropiate language, avoid using any form personal abuse and be in line with party policy when engaging on social media.
Not sure they all got the memo, when you have a lad like Tadhg Hickey being called a West Brit.
Explain to us all what he claimed.
Ah but Eoin didn't claim that, important to grasp what he said
Can someone explain the economics of this to me, Eoin O'Broin claims that they will build 100k homes for 6.5 billion which is 65k each and I don't see how thats possible? Maybe one bedroom flats not in Dublin but anything else would be mutiples of that even without land costs https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/sinn-fein-would-build-100000-public-homes-if-elected-eoin-o-broin-says-1360955.html
Very interesting and useful link and I’d agree with a lot of their analysis, with some exceptions. Michael McNamara (assuming he’s running) will surely top the poll in Clare so not a hope of the soldiers getting 2 here imo. Not a hope either imo of the soldiers taking one in Dublin Central, nor I’d expect in Dublin Mid-West where Sinn Fein should take that one. FFG surely can’t take all 3 in Rathdown, that would be incredible so I expect the shirts to drop one there. I can’t see the shirts getting 2 in Dun Laoghaire, if the Greens lose this seat it looks most likely it would be to Sinn Fein. I’d have my doubts about the soldiers gaining one in Kildare North, where are the required preferences going to come from. I’d be surprised if Sinn Fein take Peadar Toibin’s seat, and I’d doubt that Sinn Fein will take 3 in Waterford (should take 2 though).
Bit late
sensible move from Parnell Sq. Pity their supporters don’t heed the advice very often!
63 seats is too many for FF to go in with them, as they will not be a very junior party to anyone, pride wouldn't allow it.
63 seats is too few to be able to cobble together a coalition of the left as there wouldn't be enough of them as SF are cannabilising that vote.
That leaves SF without a route to government. FF/FG/biggest of the others/independents would be the outcome.
FF/FG/Greens have 77 in this projection, leaving them only a handful of independents short of a majority. This is in the context of SF having 64. It wouldn't take much of a swing in an election campaign to see the current government over the line.
The solution to the housing crisis is build more and build up where demand is greatest. Free up the planning process.
SF objects to everything housing related, therefore they aren't the solution.
Based on their performance at the last election and their current level of support in the opinion polls (all coming with a health warning obviously) Sinn Fein would be looking at picking up an additional 26 seats or thereabouts (as well as holding all their current seats) which would give them 63 seats, roughly 20 seats short of the number required. That number could be further inflated of course by the fact that the shirts and soldiers won't be picking up transfers from anybody except themselves which could see them really struggling to pick up the final seat(s) across many constituencies.
I think they will be sadly mistaken if they think it is going to improve.
Also at the moment SF are a poison chalice. Before they even get to an election they have started pointing fingers. Why would any party go into coalition in the knowledge they will just be the excuse during the entire time they are supposed to be partners with SF?
Like FF seems to be the main person they are after, first off they have spent 2 years telling everyone all their TD are sh*te. Then they will bring them into government with them. As we can see the plan is already started to blame the previous government for everything and thats why they can't fix it. So blame FF.
Then what happens when the population gets pi**ed with the excuses and the promises made as per the article don't happen, you can be damn sure SF will not turn around and say they made a mistake? It will be "well we could implement that but FF are part of the government and they have rejected it"
Not like they don't do that in the North every day of the week.
Fun times ahead but I don't see it been great for anyone in Ireland.
I really cannot see a route into government for them unless their vote changes dramatically either up or down from current support levels.
Generation Celtic Tiger they should call themselves. If Mammy and Daddy don't buy me something I am going to sulk.
I have noticed a common theme recently across all media when it comes to SF. Look at the thread on here about housing and the first post:
Or is it too foooked to be dealt with?
I hope Sinn Fein can do something but I fear maybe all that can be done is damage limitation. Am I right?
Yes I know only a part quote but interesting and it has been recurring.
Then you look at the article shared above. Look at this line in the middle
Realistically, the mess is too big for any meaningful change to happen quickly.
Seems Sinn Fein are trying to row back from all the promises they have made. If they get into government expect them to spend a lot of time blaming the last guy.
Crazy stuff in that article. The piece reads just like a spoiled child.
The article read's like a Christmas wish list, vote in SF and all my woes will be a fixed.
Even with all that this person realises it is all BS but it's "well nobody else is available".
Ultimately, they are the best of a bad lot. We might as well give them a go, it can’t get much worse. Some of us would rather see a smaller party such as People Before Profit get a chance, but we know a small party’s chances of getting into government are limited. Sinn Féin would be our next choice.
I do wonder how all SF voters are suddenly pushing the same message. It would almost make you think they have all been given the same message
This is what Generation Z is going to end up with and it has already started
The opinion of a 20 something nail tech from galway ? who would rather give people before profit a go ? Doesn't seem aware or forgot to mention the many crimes sf and its members have and are involved in too.
Man the ITs has fallen to a low state
Opinion piece which seems to come from that demographic that SF are targeting. A bit muddled in places but it does clearly show the desire to give them a chance, even if that desire is ABFFFGLAB. Therein lies the real risk to a SF-led government, not being able to deliver on all of those promises.
I'd suggest it would be better to address the falsehoods they're believing than repeating truths that they're already aware of and don't particularly care about.
You're not addressing their falsehoods with truths, you're completely ignoring them and continuing to shout about a totally unrelated truth.
Do you genuinely believe that there is anyone on the island of Ireland who isn't aware of SF's history with the Provos? That they're continuing to express an interest in voting for them suggests their priorities are elsewhere.
Call me cynical but like I said, I'm an outcomes guy. I'm more interested in what will stop them getting into office than my own personal moral outrage.
You have a point in what you say, but it would be a sad day if one was to stop speaking truths just because people were believing falsehoods.
You find it hysterical that someone is pointing out the truth?
If SF are managing to fool the youth about what they are, that shouldn't stop others from continuing to point out the truth about them. Just because SF are winning a propaganda battle with fake news isn't a reason to give up.
I have given an opinion, am I saying every person born into the Celtic tiger is the same? No
Am I seeing a number of people who think everything comes easily? Yes
When I started out work, you slogged to buy a house. When I bought my first house I had a chair, a tv that was maybe 14” that’s Somone gave me free and was 10 years old and a single bed, the first winter I could afford one fill of oil so I used it when required
Before that when I rented I had an old black and white tv with me as saved
Now you seen a poster on here who said he couldn’t buy in Dublin, when I pointed out he could, the area was classed as a “Kip”
Then when he gave the numbers he was holding back 15k to buy furniture 🤦♂️
Now that’s just an example and as I said it’s on the housing thread
Buy getting back to the main point, just listen to SF, no matter what the topic is they give the popular answer. Even when something happens they wait to see what the polls are saying. Look at Ukraine while they waited to see what happened and what the reaction was and then scrambled to delete any connections
In government you don’t have that luxury to just wait and see, when we have seen SF come out unrehearsed that’s when you start to see the real views of the party and it ain’t good
I don’t moan about the provos, look at the PIRA thread on here and a few people constantly want to drag in SF. That’s done with now, if they drag it up I will comment of course but in terms of politics let’s judge them on that
Based on actually politics they are woeful. The north is terrible and housing is worse with SF running it and no idea what to do. In the republic they are determined to make the housing crisis worse, but then if they do get elected they have no idea how to fix it. It’s just a shambles
The health representative was on talking about hiring doctors, when pointed out doctors wouldn’t come because of the tax increase it was like he never heard about it before and just pointed the finger 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
The actual substance of your post, I clearly agree with, BA! I've said repeatedly that SF promise all things to all people. I don't know what accusations I've levelled at you that you're denying. The only thing I've said is that the, 'they don't know they're born' rhetoric dogs butter no parsnips......you literally dismissed their concerns as them being spoiled Celtic Tiger babies who've wanted for nothing?
You can keep saying home ownership is at 70% and increasing, but I've pointed out that home ownership has collapsed for under 45s, so what good is pointing out that older people are increasing their home ownership doing for those affected, BA?
As I said, the young will hopefully cop on before we end up with a SF government, but it will be by pointing out these contradictions, not by moaning about the Provos or telling them they're all spoiled Celtic Tiger babies who don't understand hardship.
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