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Lazy effort op, don't do it again
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john123470
Can't help but think of Homer Simpson claiming his hand is stuck in the vending machine, and just before they cut his arm off, ask him if he's just holding onto the can.
He's saying "I will never leave Mountjoy prison if in leaving that prison I must violate my well informed conscience, and my religious beliefs and deny my God.", whereas the reality is he could leave prison with his "well informed conscience" intact, by agreeing not to return to the school, then go through the disciplinary process for same, and if he loses and is told he must refer to the student as per the student's request, he can choose to leave his job.
Prison is the can in the vending machine he's desperately clinging to because unlike Homer who was stupid, Burke is relying on attention and being a martyr.
I don't think so. I would consider what he did verbal abuse.
Gender and sex are NOT the same thing. Irish law uses the word Gender probably because they were too prudish to use the word sex.
Sex is the scientific part a.k.a your genotype/phenotype. Gender includes the expectations placed on your sex by the culture and norms you grow up with e.g girls like pink and have long hair.
No adult or child should be constrained by gender norms or expectations, so boys should be free to grow their hair long and wear unicorn T-shirts if that is what they wish. Gender non-conformity is very, very common and we have known such people our entire lives. The difference now is that some kids/teenagers/adults are identifying as trans because they have received the message that if you don’t behave in such as way that is expected from your sex you are transgender.
Now this is off topic from thread so I will leave it there. I think the one thing we can all agree on is that Mr Burke only cares about his personal beliefs and not about the actual young people who are struggling with finding their place in the world.
The irony being there is 10 of them, statistically good chance one of them may be gay.
Imagine coming out to that, like a chicken walking into a pack of wolves.
It is deliberate because that poster has an irrational fear of pronouns.
This is what the Burke's were like during the marriage referendum. Going on about how did same sex couples have sex. They did similar with one of the TV debates. They aren't quiet little one's handing out leaflets.
Yet they are still ‘up and running’ at every dogfight going Quinn?
One would think that having numerous serious tilts against all comers in very serious court cases year after year would not but good for one’s health or wallet?
Whos balls are this lot breaking and who is bankrolling them would be a legitimate question?
what’s their agenda?
Are they just an awkward disfunctional family of stults?
I would say it's incredibly likely he won't be able to teach again. Not just due to the incident in the school but also due to ignoring the injunction. Fyi, you'd get suspended in most jobs for this kind of scenario. The fact a minor's well being is also involved and he did it in front of the school, that's just really a terrible reflection on his regard for his students.
The Teaching Council or and the WRC are sticklers for procedure.
But that isn't exclusive to the school or the employer.
His actions post suspension will also be considered by the board of management.
As the school have acquired legal council I imagine everything will be done by the book, given this families form.
Much like his sister he will never again work in his chosen provision would be my opinion or least not for an employer.
I mean even if the teaching council cleared him to teach, who in their right mind would hire him, he would just find another cause to bother Jesus about.
And that last part is central to everything they do.
They have an absolute belief that they are 100% correct and that "God is leading them" etc.
They have an astonishing level of confidence in their viewpoint and ability to enforce them on others.
And that unfounded confidence has been their undoing at every turn thus far.
Apparently one or two (perhaps more) of the older siblings don't go along with what the parents and the rest of them get up to.
Can't be easy for them tbh.
If costs are awarded and he is suspended on full pay, it would be cool if his wages could go straight to paying legal fees. He prob has feck all chance to spend his wages in the Joy.
Not polite at all when smearing LGB people with all sorts of homophobic claims about AIDS and Paedophilia.
I love that they keep using that picture of him. he looks like a right barrel of laughs.
They have protests most week about the Covid response but before that they often had protests about Gay Marriage. I'm sure they had something before that about abortion. There's a picture taht's been shared a lot of them protesting the Pride march in Castlebar a few years ago.
Looks like Enoch will be getting his mail sent to Mountjoy for the foreseeable
Secondary school teacher Enoch Burke will remain in Mountjoy Prison for at least another week, after refusing to give an undertaking that he would obey a High Court order.
Lawyers for the school said Mr Burke was attempting to say the case was about his refusal to call a boy a girl. But barrister Rosemary Mallon said the case was not about transgenderism, it was about a teacher ignoring a lawful decision by his school's board of management to suspend him on pay pending the outcome of a disciplinary process.
Ms Mallon said Mr Burke was asking the court to interfere with the school's disciplinary process, something the courts should be slow to do.
Mr Burke told the court he had spent the last two nights in Mountjoy Prison which was a new experience for him. He said he had had much time to consider his actions and behaviour leading him to that place.
And he said, far from finding any instances of misconduct or gross misconduct, he had found only actions "worthy of commendation".
That last bit, he though about his actions and he thinks he's great, hilarious stuff altogether
One positive, costs have been awarded against him 💪
The schools admissions policy specifically references the Equal Status Acts.
Speaking of fees, Enoch has to pay all legal costs for the school so far incurred, which is great news
Gender (including trans) most certainly is protected in the Equal Status Acts. See 3 cases above where trans people have successfully used it.
The whole family sound ridiculously self entitled and superior.
You are just being ridiculous now.
What were they protesting in Castlebar?
Trans people have successfully won discrimination cases using the Equal Status Acts for over 11 years now.
You obviously dont know a lot about the actions of his family. They acted absolutely disgracefully during an inquest into a poor young girl who died of Covid, even tho the girls family specifically asked for them not to get involved. they have been known to regularly harass hospital staff in Mayo University Hospital. They felt that murder charges should be brought against the hospital in Castlebar even tho they werent privy to the full facts. The sister, Jemima also lied to blag her way into a Covid press conference and direct some serious allegations at Tony Holohan without allowing him a chance to respond. I've seen them protest in the Market Square in Castlebar before and I'd love to challenge some of their beliefs, however I'd be afraid of my life that I'd be then targeted by them. The other siblings were also involved with some questionable activities with the finances of their Christian society in NUIG that's been well documented. So no, it's NOT unlikely that he was loud and threatening, in fact, I'd say it's quite likely.
Does this mean if I establish "The Church of Hatin' De Quares" it's possible we could end up in a position of our courts having to adjudicate on which forms of religion-inspired hatred are "valid" and acceptable, and which ones are not?
Ludicrous position created by our legislators and outdated constitution.
Weird thing about science. It deems it biologicially impossible but then as soon as you go offline it starts doing it anyway. It's like telling a toddler they cant have any more sweets but then leaving a bag of them on the table.
What did the biologists say when you sent them your findings?
when other people need to stand between you and someone you are harassing then you are acting the bollix and he was rightfully suspended.
The parents didnt make this so public at all. Burke did.
People stood in front of the principal, they didn't put Burke in a headlock like George Floyd. He wasn't restrained and no newspaper said that he was.
Might as well stick to the facts because there won't be any embellishment if it does go up before the Teaching Council or the WRC.
The incident was public enough that it resulted in a number of teachers and students walking out. You can paint this however you want but it still boils down to being unprofessional. You are sympathetic to his views so are trying to downplay it.
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