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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin


    1. some of these areas have same weather and geology as Europe, it’s not just Texas https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shale_gas_in_the_United_States#/media/File:United_States_Shale_gas_plays,_May_2011.pdf
    2. Theres billions being sent to Gas providers and to cap prices, more than enough to obtain licenses, hire companies with know how and obtain tech as some eu countries are doing, the basins in Europe are bigger than US too
    F3E0A263-07DE-49E9-A777-B11BD7F6CC46.jpeg




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭BASHIR


    You're possibly right, they may have. That doesn't certainly mean it is not a risk. Then the decision is to to be made is the gain worth the possible risk and also what are the chances it will be publicly acceptable. What I do know is one of the main barriers for Scotland is where the shale rock is the area has already a high population density. Which suggests considering Scotland has been pumping oil for 50 60 years the gain isn't worth the risk yet.

    Also with a very green agenda at the moment politically it is not a runner for most governments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 939 ✭✭✭snowstorm445


    This thread really isn't great for the auld mental health. I'm a bit of a lurker when it comes to discussions on this topic but I'm definitely feeling very pessimistic about the months ahead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭BASHIR


    Same, I would usually be fine at the end of the month with savings already accrued. But things are getting tight. FYI I'm not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination. I fear for small business owners and owners of businesses that would be considered discretionary coffee shops, small pubs, restaurants and the likes. As prices for essentials keep increasing I find I'll be watching the coffees, takeaways etc.


    Not trying to fearmonger just being truthful



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 176 ✭✭Eclectic Econometrics


    Darth, a couple of people have given a 5-10 year time horizon for fracking to start in the Europe and you never questioned it. Am I to take it by your silence you agree with this estimate? Apologies if I didn't see your response.

    Also, and this is for everyone, what would be the quickest way for a country to meet its energy needs if everything was turned off tomorrow? For example, I recently read that a nuclear power plant is a ten year endeavor before operation. Would it be recommissioned coal plants? Realistically, if Ireland was to go all out on instigating use of 100% solar, wind, geothermal energy etc., what do you think the build out time on that would be?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    You are correct in terms of fractures with shale rock. Think of it as a Karst Limestone rock region like the Burren in Clare, with all the millions of cracks in this karst region it would be next to impossible to track ground water flows. As you rightly say, do this with a shale rock close to ground water tables, god forbid there was any leakage or contamination it would be impossible to clean/find/track where it goes in the ground water.

    Most planning permissions for large site like this/mining require borehole wells all around the perimeter in order to track level, record water results in order to see where the contamination if any flowed, try doing this in a karst region or fracted shale, it is pissing against the wind. I cant see shale fracking in Ireland ever been granted for this reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,002 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I agree. I am only on this thread for information. I'll fact check most of it and make up my own mind.

    Some people seem erect at the thought of recession and hardship. I grew up in the 70s and 80s so I don't get too "dramatic" about these things anymore. There will be financial pain though and that's hard to watch. All we can do is help out where possible.

    I also don't believe in "bots" - the thought that organisations would pay people to post propaganda on an Irish discussion site just doesn't make any logical sense to me. To what end?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Switzerland discussing fines and prison up to 3 years intentional if going over 19 degrees if the worst happens.

    The ****ing stormtroopers will be smashing doors down and hauling people off into the woods come December.


    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Relax brah


    Report the posters who are doing such and/or DM me there usernames. As I was OP I assume if I block them they can no longer post?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    People are mad posting online news, but offer no predictions themselves.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭gw80


    Hang on, is the second part of that post what was written in the piece, did they actually say they were going to drag people of to the woods come December or did you add that bit for dramatic effect?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Dramatic effect. Crazy though isn't it, fancy even talking about doing stuff like that to people because they are cold. Do you find it disturbing or is it just me ?

    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,002 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I will report nobody. I never have. I wish the government 'bots' were as nice 🤣

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    In all fairness this is literally a war time scenario

    Phuck the green movement. In Ireland they ate polling at 2%!

    Out out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,560 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Agree but we have signed up to climate targets with the EU.

    Do the EU suspend them targets. IMO they should.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,002 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Yes buts it's a pity we don't have a lot more windfarms... especially offshore ones. We have so much wind energy at our disposal.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭screamer


    What about the national herd, they produce enough gas to power the country. In winter, they are all put in sheds, slurry pits fill up and there is huge potential to create and take that biogas and make it useful. It’d solve 2 problems. But as usual, it’d take brains and money and they are 2 things that makeup political will, which is in short supply in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Dr. Schneider car part company est. 1927 filed for insolvency today with the loss of 4K jobs. Everyday large concerns just needlessly going to the wall.


    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,977 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Will Irelands industry be more insulated from bonkers gas n electricity prices than the likes of these steel plants, car parts crowds etc. Do we have much heavy industry like that here?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,578 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I’d imagine our food processing (eg dairy) and pharma industries must be very energy intensive.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭bb12


    yes but weren't there studies and statistics showing that the wind off ireland has been decreasing in recent years? i'm sure i read that somewhere



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭bb12


    i work in a manufacturing plant...all production has basically been ceased at the moment as we sell off built up stocks...there were big profits in the first half of the year due to higher prices been charged, so they can take the hit at the moment...will be interesting to see what happens after christmas though when production will most likely needed to be brought back up...the higher costs will kick in then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,578 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    yet another European shoot in the foot exercise- it’ll be a miracle of this continent survives the next few decades in its current form.

    The race to (deluded) Net “zero” alongside the push to destroy our food supply is a blueprint for self destruction- that is becoming more evident by the way



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,002 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Yeah but it's very rare the wind isn't blowing offshore and you get a lot more wind.

    Wind Power: Onshore vs Offshore Wind Farms (arcgis.com)

    A key difference between onshore and offshore wind farms is the consistency that they are able to generate energy. Notably, due to higher and more consistent wind speeds, offshore wind farms have the potential to generate more electricity at a steadier rate than their onshore counterparts (Kaldellis & Kapsali, 2013).

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    Is it due to production cost or reduced demand for the product?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,263 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    But the construction, maintenance costs are multiples, in money and environmental, the amount of concrete, fuel etc, the lifespan must be much shorter due to the sea air etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭bb12


    reduced demand and price haggling...the extra production costs will kick in after christmas as the lines get back up and running again. i don't know what effect that may have on the factory yet. time will tell i guess but as an employee it's something i'm mindful of at the moment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Looks like high end parts that Dr. Schneider supplied.

    Customers included  Audi, BMW, Jaguar/Land Rover, Lamborghini, Mercedes, Porsche and Rolls-Royce and other renowned car makers such as Ferrari, Fiat Chrysler, Ford, GM, Maserati, Seat, Skoda, Toyota, Volvo and VW.

    Amazing the knock on effects when you think about it, i have never heard of them.

    schneider.jpg


    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Intercom to cut 49 jobs from its global workforce

    A total of 49 jobs will be cut from the software company’s 1,000-strong workforce, with the cuts mainly falling on human resources and marketing departments.



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